Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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sullyinMT

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Forgive my well-demonstrated stupidity, but does this mean the vaccine would now be at a cost to the consumer?
No, it means that the company(ies) can run direct ads and help in the effort. If, for whatever reason, you're on a Pfizer mailing list, you might get an email from them reminding you where to get your free (tax funded) shot.

I also think it means that they could strike a deal with a large employer (or anyone willing to pony up) in an effort to vaccinate employees. That might apply to cruise lines and crew, who have limited access in their home countries. A line could buy a pallet and do their own clinic.
 

Parker in NYC

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No, it means that the company(ies) can run direct ads and help in the effort. If, for whatever reason, you're on a Pfizer mailing list, you might get an email from them reminding you where to get your free (tax funded) shot.

I also think it means that they could strike a deal with a large employer (or anyone willing to pony up) in an effort to vaccinate employees. That might apply to cruise lines and crew, who have limited access in their home countries. A line could buy a pallet and do their own clinic.
Ooh, good! I'm so accustomed to expecting the worst lately (though heavens to Betsy, I don't knows why!).
 

danlb_2000

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No, it means that the company(ies) can run direct ads and help in the effort. If, for whatever reason, you're on a Pfizer mailing list, you might get an email from them reminding you where to get your free (tax funded) shot.

I also think it means that they could strike a deal with a large employer (or anyone willing to pony up) in an effort to vaccinate employees. That might apply to cruise lines and crew, who have limited access in their home countries. A line could buy a pallet and do their own clinic.

The question is, when will vaccines stop being free?. I know the government has bough more doses then we need, but when we start talking about boosters are we going to reach a point where the government stops paying?
 

sullyinMT

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The question is, when will vaccines stop being free?. I know the government has bough more doses then we need, but when we start talking about boosters are we going to reach a point where the government stops paying?
Probably (hopefully) will be free in perpetuity. Clauses in the ACA make vaccinations accessible to all, either through an insurance plan (of which Medicare/Medicaid fall), or a local department of health. They are so relatively cheap in comparison to the potential for long-term healthcare cost drains, it's among the wins of the act.
 

havoc315

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The question is, when will vaccines stop being free?. I know the government has bough more doses then we need, but when we start talking about boosters are we going to reach a point where the government stops paying?

At some point, they will likely be run through insurance. But typically speaking, vaccine doses are cheap. Like $10-$20 per dose cheap.

I don't think anybody should ever worry about a $20,000 Covid booster shot.

(speaking as someone who takes an arthritis medication that does cost $11,000 per injection).
 

Parker in NYC

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At some point, they will likely be run through insurance. But typically speaking, vaccine doses are cheap. Like $10-$20 per dose cheap.

I don't think anybody should ever worry about a $20,000 Covid booster shot.

(speaking as someone who takes an arthritis medication that does cost $11,000 per injection).
To tie this back to Disney, I’m sure some folks here would pay even more than $20 if the shot came with a complimentary limited-edition piece of merchandise linked to a certain attraction on its way out.
 

Kevin_W

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At some point, they will likely be run through insurance. But typically speaking, vaccine doses are cheap. Like $10-$20 per dose cheap.

I don't think anybody should ever worry about a $20,000 Covid booster shot.

(speaking as someone who takes an arthritis medication that does cost $11,000 per injection).

Yeah, here is a reason Giant Eagle will give you $5 in groceries to get your fly shot. They are not expensive.

Sorry about the arthritis injection. That sounds like Remicade, which is wonderful stuff but super pricey.
 

mmascari

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Which failure of hope creates the dystopian future that encourages the horror-movie like mutation creating a vaccine resistant strain causing us to start all over?

If we knew that, then we could totally make it happen. Give it that can do attitude. o_O

To be honest though a true vaccine resistant strain would likely still be a disaster even if we get 90 or 95% of the population vaccinated.

There are a lot of variables. You are more likely to see a strain for which vaccines are less effective as opposed to zero effectiveness. (Once you get to zero effectiveness, you're more likely talking about a whole new disease).
But secondly, even assuming a more resistant strain emerged, that new strain might be less transmissible or may simply be less dangerous.
There was some amount of sarcasm in that post. See the o_O

I'm not worried about some variant that shows up tomorrow that's vaccine resistant. I'm not even worried that some variant that shows up tomorrow vaccine less effective and is the first step down that path, one vaccine less effective variant after another becoming dominant until we're starting over.

Which also means, I'm not worried about the abstract "there will always be variants, we must be freaked out FOREVER AND EVER, oh my!". Assuming we continue to deal with spread, these worst case scenarios are extremely unlikely, not enough to worry about.

I don’t disagree that the more we allow the virus to spread the more we risk being the cause of a mutation instead of just a potential victim but that’s why we have to hope that the inflection point that starts to drive cases down is coming very soon and it’s thanks to the vaccines with a little help from some natural immunity.

Ultimately, we want to reduce the disease as much as possible, in order to reduce the risk of mutation. Because mutation introduces unknowns -- And we don't like unknowns. A mutation could make things worse, and therefore we avoid it. But the majority of mutations are more likely to have no meaningful impact, or could even make the disease less dangerous.
This the real worry, and it's subtlety different, but in an important way. Do everything right (or at least close to right), and we're pretty good.

The worry is about what we're doing. That we're NOT going to do something right. Instead, we're going to create a plan that sounds great in the short term, but in the long term actively creates the conditions to encourage, cultivate, nurture, select for the variant with the worst possible impact.

This is an entirely different concern. It's only tangentially a variant concern. It's much more a policy and actions issue.

Given all our other decision making, making the wrong choice here for short term gains ignoring log term risk isn't really a stretch. It's like everyone is an MBA looking at quarterly returns and ignoring the 5 year growth plan.

Which just get's us back to:
If we knew that, then we could totally make it happen. Give it that can do attitude. o_O
 

Patcheslee

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At some point, they will likely be run through insurance. But typically speaking, vaccine doses are cheap. Like $10-$20 per dose cheap.

I don't think anybody should ever worry about a $20,000 Covid booster shot.

(speaking as someone who takes an arthritis medication that does cost $11,000 per injection).
Do they expect them to be that cheap once admin fees and all that get included? DDs 12yo shots: HPV, Dtap, & MenACWY was billed as $667 to my insurance. Didn't include the office visit.
 

Horizons '83

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I'm scared about vaccine resistant strain in the future, is really gonna happen soon?:confused:😭🥺
Not trying to be offensive, but why do you seem to be scared with everything Covid related?

Things are getting vastly better in our country, we have 3 really robust vaccines available, we are seeing the same decline that Israel has seen. Things are looking up! The Scariants haven't really contributed to any material increase in our country either.
 

DisneyCane

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There is another factor: We know that herd immunity is based on the total level of immunity, whether acquired through infection or vaccination.
Most have been calculating based on an assumption of even overlap. In other words, if 1/4th of the population has infection acquired immunity, then it is assumed that 1/4th of the un-vaccinated population also has infection acquired immunity. So if you vaccinate 50% of the population, you'd have a total immunity of 62.5%.

BUT.... Due to conflicting attitudes about Covid, the same people who aren't getting vaccinated are the same people who took the least precautions -- And are the people most likely to have infection acquired immunity.

So let's say, nationally, roughly 1/4th of Americans have naturally acquired immunity -- That number might be higher in un-vaccinated people. In some places (like the Dakotas) it might be MUCH higher than 1/4th.

There will still be overlap, but not necessarily even overlap. North Dakota had the most per capita cases reported in the country -- 14% of the population reported positive tests. Real number, likely between 25-40%.
39.5% of the population of North Dakota has been vaccinated. But it's conceivable that 30-50% (or higher) of the un-vaccinated have some infection acquired immunity. That would bring the total immunity level of 60%-70% (or higher).

So fingers crossed.... this may be the best chance of still reaching herd immunity -- the communities that aren't vaccinating enough are also the communities that were careless and have lots of naturally acquired immunity.
I did an analysis last week for FL by figuring out the percentage of population by age range that tested positive and combining it with the number of unvaccinated people in that age group (as of whatever date I did the calculations). I know the real number of natural infections is likely at least 2x but I didn't want to do calculations without hard data.

Using this method, I determined that, as of the date of my calculation, 47.4% of the population of FL had either natural or vaccine induced immunity. In reality, it's probably a bit higher accounting for untested infections and the 10% of the vaccinated who are still vulnerable to an infection of some degree. If I did the calculation again, I'm sure I'd get over 50% at this point.
 

sullyinMT

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Auto Show back in July and more good news for Chicago/Illinois:

Forget the car show for a minute. Flea markets back at 25% effective immediately deserves the headline! The world is right again if you can peruse the kitsch with a corn dog and people watch!
 

Heppenheimer

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"Pfizer said Tuesday it plans to file for full U.S. approval of its Covid-19 vaccine with German drugmaker BioNTech at the end of this month. If the FDA signs off, the company will be able to market the shot directly to consumers."

"The company also said it expects to apply for an EUA for a booster shot that could protect against Covid variants during the second half of July, according to a slide presentation that accompanied the company’s earnings release. It expects to apply for authorization for its vaccine for use in toddlers and younger children in September and infants in November".

Great news all around!

Once Pfizer gets full approval, I wonder what will be the next excuse not to get vaccinated?
 

Tom P.

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I disagree. Leaders are supposed to lead, not cater to the ignorant mob.

Mandate the vaccine just like all the other vaccines. Then educate people as to why that’s not an infringement on any rights.
In the United States, there are no vaccines that are mandated for adults by the government. Individual businesses, in some circumstances, can require them for their employees. But there is no vaccine that the government requires me to have as an adult just as a matter of law.

Now, people will point to the fact that there are many vaccinations required to attend K-12 school. That's true. But, first, that's not done retroactively for new vaccines. When I was in school, there was no such thing as a chicken pox vaccine, so I didn't have one. There's no government mandate that says I have to go back and get it as an adult once it was created. Second, there are many exceptions to the school vaccine requirements. And, third, people can choose not to put their kids into those schools. Home schooling, for example, is permitted in all 50 states and there is no vaccine requirement to home school.
 
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