Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

I mean it's sort of moot because they don't really enforce the 6 feet in the first place. They enforce masks, not distancing.

They do when a ride only loads every other row. That would be unnecessary.

 

[SamusAranX]

In February 2020, Fauci did say we didn’t need masks, we should be focused more on the flu, and we had nothing to worry about with covid. He had to change his tune because well, frankly, he ended up being wrong.

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There have been other times he’s had to provide best guesses, as unfortunately right now Covid isn’t exactly well studied under traditional scientific processes. I definitely respect his advice, and don’t think he’s a moron. I do think he’s a human: and guess what? Humans, even scientists, are wrong at times! But no need for the personal attacks and so on. If public trust eroded because of his mistakes, so be it. But I still give due consideration to his words. Because he does care and is not a Gorn part of the NWO trying to prolong the pandemic to gain money in the potatoes market.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

They do when a ride only loads every other row. That would be unnecessary.

Is there any case where they're still doing that?

 

[GoofGoof]

Fantasmic! is probably easiest; depends on if the cost is worth it at a 3’ distanced theater. Spacing people through WS for an evening Epcot show is feasible, and a lot of evening hours have been added, so perhaps management is hopeful that things are looking positive for a summer debut.

I read the county guidance as outdoor, though park operators could argue the 3’ rule as applied to schools could apply to indoors for attractions queues. Whether they push it remains to be seen, as they’ve been relatively successful so far. Perhaps they just wait for phase 2, when things should be looking a lot better. Dr Pino today said he expects that to take another 3 weeks or so, lining up nicely with Memorial Day.

I don’t think any massive changes are coming next week or anything, but we’ll probably see some incremental changes throughout the summer.

Based on these charts from OC the 3 foot change applies to all situations, not just outdoors. It says “in all settings” and “effective immediately”. Disney doesn’t have to change their rules because of that, but they could make all distancing 3 feet and be in compliance with the local mandate and since the state of FL requires no distancing at all anywhere they would be good at the state level too.

 

[mmascari]

Untrue. Cases were on the way up. It is arbitrary.

It's a policy goal. Whomever was setting the goal determined that other things were more important. Something that would be better off by raising the capacity percentage. Something that was more important than whatever COVID impacts would arise because of the shift.

The goal being targeted has nothing to do with the science. It's as arbitrary as any other policy goal being set. The science comes in when trying to move from a "current conditions" to "target goal". It adds guidance on what actions will help or harm that movement, in whatever direction it needs to move.

If you don't agree with or like a policy goal, ask the policy maker why that's the goal.

None of the science people are setting the goals. They're all responding to the policy goals of "less COVID impacts" with guidance on actions that will lead to "less COVID impacts".

 

[Parker in NYC]

Hearing more rumblings that Broadway theaters will require proof of vaccination. For those in the city, no problem. Now, out-of-state tourists? Good luck.

 

[SamusAranX]

Hearing more rumblings that Broadway theaters will require proof of vaccination. For those in the city, no problem. Now, out-of-state tourists? Good luck.

Damn and I was this close to seeing Checking In! The Betty Ford Musical

 

[danlb_2000]

Honestly... No. But they may get close enough and cases get low enough, that it becomes "good enough."

Right now, I'm crossing my fingers that they reach 50%. They say they hope to reach that point in 3 weeks.... that seems optimistic considering it took them so long to get to 36%.

It was just pointed out in another thread that the Phase 3 criteria is 70% vaccinated OR 14-day COVID-19 positivity rate fell below 5%. Other one might be easier to hit.

 

[DCBaker]

Hearing more rumblings that Broadway theaters will require proof of vaccination. For those in the city, no problem. Now, out-of-state tourists? Good luck.

Just to add another example - Universal Hollywood is now allowing out-of-state guests in the park if they are fully vaccinated.

They must show proof of vaccination and buy tickets at the gate - they also, as of now, explicitly state "at this time, we can only welcome out-of-state visitors age 16 and over."

 

[Parker in NYC]

Damn and I was this close to seeing Checking In! The Betty Ford Musical

In all honesty, First Daughter Suite was perfection. There was a whole Betty and Susan Ford sequence (on a boat with Roz and Amy Carter). But my favorites were the Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan scenes. Posting some of them below. Fun Disney-related fact: Patti Davis was played by Broadway's own original Elsa.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is there any case where they're still doing that?

All but the outdoor roller coasters and the rides where plexiglass was added. That also includes theaters like Philharmagic where spacing is enforced between parties.

 

[mmascari]

Good question. It says in all setting so I assume it means restaurants as well. There’s nothing saying not indoor dining. I think that effectively would allow most restaurants to reach 100% capacity or near that. Anywhere with tables closer than 3 feet is pretty uncomfortable in normal life.

It also says "Face Covering", and Face Covering isn't required while dining. I think it's just a poor summary and not some broad indoor dining change too. The actual new order with all the details will clear it up. I wouldn't put to much importance on a summary poster parsing every word (or lack of words). It's like reading a headline and the good stuff is buried 4 paragraphs in.

100% capacity indoor dining while spread is still high would definitely make it worse. We're not there yet. If we're going to have that, why have mask rules anywhere else, everywhere is already less risky than indoor dining.

 

[GoofGoof]

Working as planned. In order to make getting an appointment really convenient you need millions of excess doses available.

 

[danlb_2000]

This is going to lead to the new problem of vaccines spoiling. Philadelphia's mass vaccination site put out a call for people because they have around 4000 doses that expire tomorrow.

 

[sullyinMT]

Based on these charts from OC the 3 foot change applies to all situations, not just outdoors. It says “in all settings” and “effective immediately”. Disney doesn’t have to change their rules because of that, but they could make all distancing 3 feet and be in compliance with the local mandate and since the state of FL requires no distancing at all anywhere they would be good at the state level too.

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Thanks for clarifying. I was confusing indoor/outdoor mask mandates between phases and social distancing being likewise distinguished.

 

[GoofGoof]

It also says "Face Covering", and Face Covering isn't required while dining. I think it's just a poor summary and not some broad indoor dining change too. The actual new order with all the details will clear it up. I wouldn't put to much importance on a summary poster parsing every word (or lack of words). It's like reading a headline and the good stuff is buried 4 paragraphs in.

100% capacity indoor dining while spread is still high would definitely make it worse. We're not there yet. If we're going to have that, why have mask rules anywhere else, everywhere is already less risky than indoor dining.

Face coverings are still required based on CDC guidance. The distancing didn’t say outdoor only. If that’s the case then they need to update the charts and I take away the Mayor’s A+ for being clear. They went out of their way to say ”in all settings” so it no vague, it’s very specific.

 

[SamusAranX]

In all honesty, First Daughter Suite was perfection. There was a whole Betty and Susan Ford sequence (on a boat with Roz and Amy Carter). But my favorites were the Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan scenes. Posting some of them below. Fun Disney-related fact: Patti Davis was played by Broadway's own original Elsa.

Wait there’s actually a musical with that theme?!
I was referring to this

 

[disneygeek90]

Is there any case where they're still doing that?

Only a handful. Off the top of my head, Pirates and Peoplemover. Jurassic Park in Universal is also every other row, I suppose because that's mask/plexiglass less.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Wait there’s actually a musical with that theme?!
I was referring to this

I know. But nothing can compare to THAT brilliance. I was just being my usual asshat self.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just to add another example - Universal Hollywood is now allowing out-of-state guests in the park if they are fully vaccinated.

They must show proof of vaccination and buy tickets at the gate - they also, as of now, explicitly state "at this time, we can only welcome out-of-state visitors age 16 and over."

That’s not going to fly at a Disney park. They would rather just let no one in from out of state than exclude all children.