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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

havoc315

Well-Known Member
Is the media event available as a live stream? Or is it something that media types are just attending and reporting on afterward?

I don't believe it's being streamed.
There was a travel agent event earlier -- I was expecting summer discounts to be announced, but (according to reports) it ended up being nothing but a rehash of known information.

The 4:30 event may be nothing more than promotion of Disneyland's re-opening. No indication from any source I've seen as to whether anything "big" is coming out of the event.

Plenty of rumors are flying about night time entertainment right now. But even those rumors don't quite suggest that any announcement is imminent.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
"Stay home" as an initial response was wise. It was an urgent public health crisis. Not exactly time for nuance right away.
But very quickly... within a couple of weeks, guidance should have been (and mostly was) updated to reflect the safety of outdoor socially distanced activities. Go for a hike, go fishing, go for a drive, etc.

And even the worst mask worn the worst way... is still useful. It's always been about combining modalities to reduce the rate and risk of infection.
So even if the mask only reduces the level of infection by 5%, that's still better than 0% reduction. (even "bad" masks tend to reduce infection risk by over 50%).
No it wasn't a wise response.
It was damned stupid.
It was a sledgehammer approach that was not needed.
 

danlb_2000

Well-Known Member
A valid point, but it was pretty well documented that a lot of the people there also had private indoor meetings together at the same time. There’s no way to know who got infected outside vs indoors and it’s not like the players involved were going to be willing to share all of their actions publicly.

I agree we don't know where they people were actually infected, but I also think that just because something it outside doesn't make it safe. Passing someone in a park is no big deal, but sitting shoulder to shoulder with one or more infected people for an extended period of time is going to have risk even outside.
 

Patcheslee

Well-Known Member
Use the gaiters with the mask as a fashion accessory. Mask with a gaiter looks a lot better than a simple mask.
The gaiters don't fit us, that's why those are unused. Even if they fit, with the rule changes at work and school, they can't be worn.
Fifty dollars to, in some case, hundreds of thousands of dollars, is not comparable.
What's the population of people that have had to purchase a different mask due to policy changes? It's not like I'm the only person that has had to do this. Yes a ventilation system can be hundreds of thousands of dollars- for something that lasts how many years? The gaiters didn't even last a day.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
It's easy in hindsight to say it was unwise but at the time we just didn't know enough about the virus.
Hindsight?
People who live alone on big farms were told to stay home.
People who live on acres of land were given the same message.
It made no sense then either.
And "stay home" was often directed as stay indoors.
Yet, they'd stack us up on a line to get into Home Depot, Costco etc.
Standing six feet from each other - often downwind for prolonged periods of time, while waiting for the stores capacity to lower.
But hey, we were wearing surgical masks or "face coverings."
Meanwhile, had they just let us in, we could have much more easily given each other more space and for briefer periods of time around each other.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I agree we don't know where they people were actually infected, but I also think that just because something it outside doesn't make it safe. Passing someone in a park is no big deal, but sitting shoulder to shoulder with one or more infected people for an extended period of time is going to have risk even outside.
I'm with you here 100%.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
Numbers are out - there were 84 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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havoc315

Well-Known Member
No it wasn't a wise response.
It was damned stupid.
It was a sledgehammer approach that was not needed.

Sledgehammer was needed. I saw people dropping dead left and right... 3 colleagues passed away in the first month (by mid April 2020).
So hitting the emergency brake was indeed the proper response. Ok, so you're advised not to go fishing for a week, oh no.

As I said... I agree that within days/weeks, you could reassess and start to add nuance. And in reality, even right away, the stay at home orders said it was perfectly safe to be outdoors socially distanced. There was never an order in the US in any state telling people not to leave their house.
 

havoc315

Well-Known Member
Hindsight?
People who live alone on big farms were told to stay home.
That's simply false. Nobody was ever told they had to stay indoors.

For example, California.. March 16, 2020, issued the following guidance:

  • Remain at home until order is rescinded, or until further guidance is issued.
    • Cancel any non-essential travel, appointments, etc.
    • For routine medical care, contact your health care provider to discuss rescheduling.
  • Continue with outdoor activities.
    • As long as you practice social distancing, we encourage you to continue your outdoor activities such as walks, runs and yardwork, to the extent your health allows it.

There is no reason to lie about the past stay home orders.



 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
Sledgehammer was needed. I saw people dropping dead left and right... 3 colleagues passed away in the first month (by mid April 2020).
So hitting the emergency brake was indeed the proper response. Ok, so you're advised not to go fishing for a week, oh no.

As I said... I agree that within days/weeks, you could reassess and start to add nuance. And in reality, even right away, the stay at home orders said it was perfectly safe to be outdoors socially distanced. There was never an order in the US in any state telling people not to leave their house.
Parks, beaches etc., were closed for far longer than a week.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I got my second Moderna shot today at Rite Aid. They filled out my card and the woman working there told me that Staples is laminating the cards for free. I looked it up and it’s true for Staples and Office Depot. She also told me to keep the card safe because they are going to start requiring it to travel. I found the comment funny based on all the talk here.

 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Sledgehammer was needed. I saw people dropping dead left and right... 3 colleagues passed away in the first month (by mid April 2020).
So hitting the emergency brake was indeed the proper response. Ok, so you're advised not to go fishing for a week, oh no.

As I said... I agree that within days/weeks, you could reassess and start to add nuance. And in reality, even right away, the stay at home orders said it was perfectly safe to be outdoors socially distanced. There was never an order in the US in any state telling people not to leave their house.
The last year has taught me quite a lot, but amongst the biggest is that many people have trouble with nuance. Or understanding that often health decisions need to be made on a decision-tree model, instead of a straight line.
 

themarchhare

Well-Known Member
No it wasn't a wise response.
It was damned stupid.
It was a sledgehammer approach that was not needed.
We knew very, very little about the virus. When you look at the chart it's quite apparent that the shutdown was *very* necessary and kept our number of fatalities MUCH lower (until we had some better treatment options). There's a reason why most other Western powers have had multiple shutdowns - they work in stopping the spread and in creating new variants.

Obviously at this point shutdowns are out of the question, but I don't see how anyone could possibly say that the initial shutdowns were a bad thing - they saved millions of lives.
 

seascape

Well-Known Member
Numbers are out - there were 84 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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Florida is going in the wrong direction. Based on these numbers the state is averaging 5,642 new cases a day or 26.4. That is not the way we want to see the state go. I can complain about NY and NJ still having too many cases but at least they are moving lower! The country as a whole accord to the NY Times was at sn average of 65,556 or 19.8 cases per 100,000 new cases a day. Florida is now 33.33% higher than the national average. Yes, that is much better than Michigan's 70 cases but who cares! Florida needs to do better or people will decide it's not worth the risk of visiting.
 

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