Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

Flu shots were up to nearly 60% of the US population this year so at least some people who normally don’t get one decided to do so. We also need to continue to stress to people that Covid isn’t just a mild case of the flu. Do people really not care about losing their taste and smell or potential long haul symptoms that simply don’t exist with the flu? Plus we all have a level of natural immunity to the flu since we’ve been exposed to it numerous times in the past. Not enough immunity to not get sick but nobody has that natural immunity to Covid...until they get it or get a vaccine. Hopefully a large number of the people thinking that way have already been exposed to Covid so they do have some natural immunity.

I have no issue with vaccine passports but I’m not sure how practical that plan is in the short term. My hope is enough people get the vaccine and we don’t need them.

Honestly, the probably biggest reason that I got the COVID vaccine is to minimize the chance of losing my sense of taste and smell. As somebody who is pretty low risk, that's the symptom that I really don't want.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Anybody who has the pass can do whatever they want and not have to follow any COVID rules.

You’ve been bragging about how you haven’t followed any of the rules the whole time. So what’s the appeal?

 

[Mark52479]

There have been some studies showing that even after 1 dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine there is a high level of protection from severe illness and death. Right how 72% of the 65+ population has at least 1 shot. That should significantly cut down on the vast majority of the most vulnerable population potentially dying. Younger people with health conditions are behind 65+ but not by more than a month or so. Deaths are on a lag and most of the deaths reported today happened in the last month plus death Is not always quick with Covid so in theory a death reported today could be someone who died March 1 and got sick mid-February. 4-6 weeks from now the deaths reported will be from people infected today so hopefully we see a big drop off.

As far as cases and a surge goes, it’s not a guarantee. Here’s a pretty good article describing the parallels to Israel and how things may rollout in the US.

U.S. COVID cases are climbing again. The same thing happened in Israel — before vaccination crushed the variants.

It’s official: After falling for more than two straight months, the average number of daily COVID-19 cases across the U.S. has begun — just barely — to rise again.

news.yahoo.com

I can tell you here in Florida there is a horrible lag in death reports. They have gotten better, but still on any given day the report is showing people who died months ago. Just last week they reported a death that happened April. Almost a year ago. Its absurd.

 

[JoeCamel]

I can tell you here in Florida there is a horrible lag in death reports. They have gotten better, but still on any given day the report is showing people who died months ago. Just last week they reported a death that happened April. Almost a year ago. Its absurd.

I think looking at the day to day numbers is too much, let the data catch up and then a much clearer picture emerges. Seeing high case or death rate is as bad as seeing very low numbers, people are basing their feelings and actions on incomplete data. Weekly or monthly trends are much better indicators of where we are heading.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

My MIL last night was saying that she thinks (here in Canada) we should adjust the age program. Once we’ve gotten to older risk group done, they should switch and do the 16-40 group. Then do the middle. Just based on the current trend.

Both ON and Quebec are consistently having problems with no shows for vaccine appointments. Many seniors are having difficulty making the bookings or getting to the clinics.

While seniors are most at risk for hospitalization and death due to COVID, it's people under 40 who are most likely be required to work in person and put themselves at risk for getting sick and spreading it to others.

In an ideal world, we would do one age group at a time, but I think in the interest of getting as many people vaccinated as possible (which is the end goal), that we should just open up vaccine appointments to everyone 18+ and have clinics open 24/7.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Both ON and Quebec are consistently having problems with no shows for vaccine appointments. Many seniors are having difficulty making the bookings or getting to the clinics.

While seniors are most at risk for hospitalization and death due to COVID, it's people under 40 who are most likely be required to work in person and put themselves at risk for getting sick and spreading it to others.

In an ideal world, we would do one age group at a time, but I think in the interest of getting as many people vaccinated as possible (which is the end goal), that we should just open up vaccine appointments to everyone 18+ and have clinics open 24/7.

I wish. I always hear about people calling the clinics in the states and getting left over doses. I wish we could do that here.

 

[correcaminos]

I wish. I always hear about people calling the clinics in the states and getting left over doses. I wish we could do that here.

What happens to the doses if they do not have a wait list to fill?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve watched it closely for a year.

you watched it...but your comments indicate you failed to comprehend it.

 

[Disney Analyst]

What happens to the doses if they do not have a wait list to fill?

Everything is by appointment in my province, so they carefully plan it all and then just call up later appointments if they need to get doses in arms (as far as I know).

 

[correcaminos]

Everything is by appointment in my province, so they carefully plan it all and then just call up later appointments if they need to get doses in arms (as far as I know).

Got it. Doesn't seem totally unfair but I just hope no doses are being wasted.

 

[JAKECOTCenter]

Hot take: I don't mind the idea of vaccine passports but I'm well aware that it's divisive and will create even more inequities

 

[Disney Analyst]

Got it. Doesn't seem totally unfair but I just hope no doses are being wasted.

I hope so as well. Haven’t heard of an issue, yet.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Hot take: I don't mind the idea of vaccine passports but I'm well aware that it's divisive and will create even more inequities

Agree totally. I think the passport would encourage more to get the vaccine but also see the other side. It’s the same thing with the free donut a day at Krispy Kreme for the rest of the year. I thought it was a brilliant marketing move knowing that people will spend more once there to get the freebie, and maybe it gets one more person to vaccinate. Now I’m hearing how it’s just another inequity.. I don’t agree but who knows.

 

[GoofGoof]

Hot take: I don't mind the idea of vaccine passports but I'm well aware that it's divisive and will create even more inequities

Agree totally. I think the passport would encourage more to get the vaccine but also see the other side. It’s the same thing with the free donut a day at Krispy Kreme for the rest of the year. I thought it was a brilliant marketing move knowing that people will spend more once there to get the freebie, and maybe it gets one more person to vaccinate. Now I’m hearing how it’s just another inequity.. I don’t agree but who knows.

What are the inequities? If the vaccine is available to everyone eventually and also free then how is there a problem? Are we just talking the very small number of people who have a medical reason they can’t be vaccinated? Is it just the temporary timing lag because not everyone can get the shot yet?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What are the inequities? If the vaccine is available to everyone eventually and also free then how is there a problem? Are we just talking the very small number of people who have a medical reason they can’t be vaccinated? Is it just the temporary timing lag because not everyone can get the shot yet?

as with everything...vaccines are being “steered” towards those with means and influence. Because that’s the way it always is...with everything.

 

[GoofGoof]

as with everything...vaccines are being “steered” towards those with means and influence. Because that’s the way it always is...with everything.

They are free and eventually will be available to everyone so it’s a timing difference at best.

 

[Patcheslee]

Agree totally. I think the passport would encourage more to get the vaccine but also see the other side. It’s the same thing with the free donut a day at Krispy Kreme for the rest of the year. I thought it was a brilliant marketing move knowing that people will spend more once there to get the freebie, and maybe it gets one more person to vaccinate. Now I’m hearing how it’s just another inequity.. I don’t agree but who knows.

And now there's gym owners in NJ offering free membership to people that don't get the vaccine. Hopefully that doesn't trend.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They are free and eventually will be available to everyone so it’s a timing difference at best.

but that doesn’t make it ok.

the fact there are billions in the last bill for “underserved communities” confirms what we always should assume.

little Pollyanna here, aren’t we?

 

[hopemax]

The inequity talk I have seen regarding passports, has been in regards to a global level. Poorer countries have to wait for vaccines so their recovery is equally delayed. Meanwhile in Western countries business, travel, etc. can all resume. Remember, how our former President referred to some countries... and how travel from some counties was banned. Expect more of that, globally. That denies business opportunities, education opportunities to those who can't travel which can be grabbed by people/business/countries who have the magic piece of paper. It's not like when this is over the West is going to say, "oh, that student from Ecuador that was denied entry in 2021, we're going to make sure he gets a spot at University in 2023." Import/export relations. Poorer countries that are more isolated from global trade, then we start to worry about human rights abuses. Stuff like that.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

What happens to the doses if they do not have a wait list to fill?

They go to the waste can