Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Creathir

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I doubt it myself. Know a kid who is symptomatic, getting tested today:(
Keep in mind, with statistics, there are always outliers.
Lung cancers are not common in children, yet there are occasionally some which develop them.

Statistically speaking, COVID-19 has proven to be not dangerous for children.

Look at the deaths by age. It tells you all you need to know.
 

Figgy1

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Keep in mind, with statistics, there are always outliers.
Lung cancers are not common in children, yet there are occasionally some which develop them.

Statistically speaking, COVID-19 has proven to be not dangerous for children.

Look at the deaths by age. It tells you all you need to know.
Both the parents are high risk.
 

TiggerDad

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Keep in mind, with statistics, there are always outliers.
Lung cancers are not common in children, yet there are occasionally some which develop them.

Statistically speaking, COVID-19 has proven to be not dangerous for children.

Look at the deaths by age. It tells you all you need to know.
I have friends whose kids spent a month in the hospital with this. Death is not the only measure of danger.
 

SamusAranX

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So obviously, the sites will take awhile to update; I can schedule an appt for next week, and as of next week I am eligible, but the sites don't show it; do I have to "lie", and then when I am there point it out...or? How does that work?
 

corsairk09

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Keep in mind, with statistics, there are always outliers.
Lung cancers are not common in children, yet there are occasionally some which develop them.

Statistically speaking, COVID-19 has proven to be not dangerous for children.

Look at the deaths by age. It tells you all you need to know.
Right. So I am still wondering about what target we are looking for. For example, if we are still seeing those "1,000" or whatever cases a day, but hospitalizations are extremely low..... does that mean it is safe? Or are we looking for almost no cases? At some point, do we need to say that yes, people are getting ill with COVID, but it is ok to resume normal lives since they are simply ill and not in the hospital? Anyways those are my thoughts for whatever they are worth.
 

danlb_2000

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Keep in mind, with statistics, there are always outliers.
Lung cancers are not common in children, yet there are occasionally some which develop them.

Statistically speaking, COVID-19 has proven to be not dangerous for children.

Look at the deaths by age. It tells you all you need to know.

Actually it doesn't, it's not as simple as lived or died...

Evidence that Long COVID-19 impacts children

The ongoing coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has caused over one hundred million reported infections, with over 2.23 million deaths worldwide. While most cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection are asymptomatic or mild, some patients report long-haul...
www.news-medical.net
www.news-medical.net
 

GoofGoof

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So obviously, the sites will take awhile to update; I can schedule an appt for next week, and as of next week I am eligible, but the sites don't show it; do I have to "lie", and then when I am there point it out...or? How does that work?
I think some people were doing that in other states. Some of the pharmacies were even telling people to do it.
 

GoofGoof

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If Florida is at 650 per day, I’m sure most businesses will drop voluntary mitigation.

But I don’t know 1 way or another if Disney would drop mitigation at that number.
Nobody knows for sure, but I would assume they would at that point, they are looking to be safe but not punitive to their business. The only exception would be if FL was significantly lower than the national numbers they may not due to the national mix of visitors.
 

havoc315

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Creathir

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Actually it doesn't, it's not as simple as lived or died...

Evidence that Long COVID-19 impacts children

The ongoing coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has caused over one hundred million reported infections, with over 2.23 million deaths worldwide. While most cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection are asymptomatic or mild, some patients report long-haul...
www.news-medical.net
www.news-medical.net
It gives you a solid indication of the danger level from a mortality perspective.
I'm not making the data up... that is the official data from the government.
 

Creathir

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I have friends whose kids spent a month in the hospital with this. Death is not the only measure of danger.
Once again, there are always outliers. MOST children have a minimal chance of this happening.
I know children who spend months in the hospital due to car accidents. This does not mean all trips in the car result in this happening, in fact, the vast majority do not. Yet there still are outliers to those statistics. Those children still spent a lot of time rehabilitating from the accident.

That is my point.
 

havoc315

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Nobody knows for sure, but I would assume they would at that point, they are looking to be safe but not punitive to their business. The only exception would be if FL was significantly lower than the national numbers they may not due to the national mix of visitors.

But we have seen Disney going "above and beyond" with mitigation measures -- which has led to wide suspicion around here that they are slow-walking normalization for other reasons, using Covid as an excuse. Or, generously, you can say they are just exercising more extreme mitigation "out of an abundance of caution" and to assure families of their safety.

Either way -- they have already shown a willingness to limit themselves more than others, and arguably more than necessary.

In other words -- they may continue "capacity restrictions" longer than necessary, using Covid as an excuse, but ultimately for other business reasons. (Such as, a reluctance to spend more on increasing operations, opting to continue operating as a smaller entity for a while).
The last "official" word we have from Disney is that they expect social distancing and masking to continue for the "rest of the year" (unclear whether fiscal year or calendar year).
What we see with their silence -- they are not planning any significant normalization over the Spring/Summer -- Other than a modified FOTLK, there have been no signs of returning entertainment. Other than hotel re-openings already announced, no signs of additional hotel re-openings.
And what we hear from rumors from trust sources -- "at this time" no plan to bring back fireworks even for 10/1.

So it appears, that on our current path, Disney is still planning for continued reductions/restrictions past 10/1.

Whether those reductions/restrictions will be "Covid necessary" is almost an entirely different discussion.
 

danlb_2000

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It gives you a solid indication of the danger level from a mortality perspective.
I'm not making the data up... that is the official data from the government.

Yes, but mortality isn't the only negative outcome. This study raises concerns about long term effects in kids who had mild or even know symptoms. We have gotten pretty good at measuring deaths, we aren't yet as good as measuring other health impacts.
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
No
I find it puzzling that everyone is rushing to re-open indoor dining, just as we enter Spring and it becomes more comfortable to dine outdoors.
Probably not a popular opinion here but the fact that indoor dining isn't available in some states is still baffling to me. At some point, we have to give people a choice, especially if they have been vaccinated. Numbers are trending the right way in most states.
 

Creathir

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Yes, but mortality isn't the only negative outcome. This study raises concerns about long term effects in kids who had mild or even know symptoms. We have gotten pretty good at measuring deaths, we aren't yet as good as measuring other health impacts.
But even positive test case statistics are normally lower for children, showing they are less susceptible to catching it in the first place.
 

Heppenheimer

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BTW, in case anyone missed it back in February, because we in medicine just love acronyms so much, now we have an official one for long COVID:

Post-Acute Sequelae of SARS-Cov-2, or PASC


I don't know, seems too generic and non-intuitive to catch on.
 
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