Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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rylouisbo

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Masks are not a placebo. Study after study prove they work.
The goal has always been elimination of the virus.
If everyone actually did what they should, the vaccine would be GONE in weeks to months, not years.
masks work and help in very minor ways. For some reason people think a mask is doing way more than it is. Again, the results speak for themselves. States with loose mask rules having the same or better results than states with strict mask rules proves masking is next to insignificant as far as mitigation policies go.

No the goal was not always eliminating spread lol go back and look it up.

you don’t seem to understand how pandemics work
 

rylouisbo

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View attachment 536097Yup, totally not going to end, things are horrible and only getting worse...

For the first time since September our hospitalized pts nationally are below 50k.
And now they’re saying that variants are coming. Lol that cases are leveling off and rising some places... so back into your basement. Hence Disney actually making it’s rules stricter! Ha

y’all need to stop defending bad policy.
 

Touchdown

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And now they’re saying that variants are coming. Lol that cases are leveling off and rising some places... so back into your basement. Hence Disney actually making it’s rules stricter! Ha

y’all need to stop defending bad policy.
Varients are coming, but provided we keep increasing vaccinations and with an assist from Mother Nature (summer is coming) we have a really good chance of ending this pandemic soon.
 

havoc315

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I agree the reporting is poor these days and he is bombarded with requests for interviews.

My concern is that Fauci and the current administration are not being clear and consistent with their messaging. You guys all know I was no fan of Emperor Trump so this isn’t a politically biased opinion, just some constructive criticism. We are almost out of the woods so to speak but one of the only things that can trip us up as we approach the finish line is vaccine resistance. We need everyone to get vaccinated as soon as humanly possible. Right now demand far exceeds supply so we have no issue but in as little as a month or 2 we are going to hit the point where we need the “fence sitters“ to come in for their jab. If the headlines and mixed message is telling people we won’t have a return to normal until 2022 then people may be in no rush to get vaccinated. If instead the consistent message and talking point was that if we all get vaccinated as soon as possible we may get a return to normal this summer or by the Fall that’s a much better goal to shoot for. I’m highly disappointed if the administration’s true goal is a return to normal by 2022 or Christmas and if that’s not really the goal then I’m highly disappointed they keep saying it to sandbag the timeline so they can over achieve. We spent 9 months frustrated with lies and conspiracy theories from the federal government and all we wanted was someone to tell the truth and tell it to us straight. I am disappointed if we are just continuing that.

The Chapek thing is just typical Disney fanboy chatter. The question he was answering was from a sell side analyst who was attempting to update his model with park revenues for the remainder of the fiscal year. Chapek’s resp saying it was likely masks and distancing were going to be with us through this year was almost certainly in reference to the fiscal year and not calendar year so meaning through 9/30/2021. When he says he thinks that stuff will be gone early in 2022 he again is talking the 2022 fiscal year which start 10/1/2021. For people not used to listening to earnings calls and don’t understand the fiscal vs calendar year distinction I can understand why it was confusing. On the earnings call the focus is to give financial info to shareholders and analysts not to update park fans on what to expect. He also followed up that statement saying that if the vaccine rollout is highly successful and if the vaccine is available to the general public by April that‘s a game changer and could mean the timeline moves up. He was clearly leaving the door open to relaxing or eliminating some or all restrictions as early as some time this summer. As you said people took those comments and assumed it meant masks and distancing until after Jan 2022.

Since I had gone stir with you, I’ll say I think this post is mostly spot on.

Though I don’t think Chapek was necessarily referring explicitly to the fiscal year or calendar year. Because either way, normalization won’t be hitting a switch. October 1st will likely have significantly less restrictions than today. But I don’t expect full normalization by 10/1. And I suspect masks will be among the last things to go. I wouldn’t be shocked if mask mandates were gone by October... but also wouldn’t be shocked if they stay in place for months longer.

There truly still is a lot we don’t know. So I really can’t blame Biden/Fauci messaging on the side of caution. Rather be pleasantly surprised that we can lift restrictions faster than anticipated, then be told we will be normal by summer, only to learn in June that the spread of variants will require even more restrictions till the end of the year.
 

seascape

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Masks are not a placebo. Study after study prove they work.
The goal has always been elimination of the virus.
If everyone actually did what they should, the vaccine would be GONE in weeks to months, not years.
The liberal news media wants to make sure that Biden gets all the credit for resolving the pandemic. If they reported the truth that because of the vaccine, the pandemic could be over by April 30, just 100 days into the Biden administration, the public would know Biden had nothing to do with it but he inherited the fix. I took my first Pfizer shot Friday, my wife took her second Moderna Shot 10 days ago. NJ is well on its way to this being over snd so is NY and they are currently the 2nd and 3rd highest number of cases per 100,000. Face it, we will be back to normal this summer.
 

havoc315

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masks work and help in very minor ways. For some reason people think a mask is doing way more than it is. Again, the results speak for themselves. States with loose mask rules having the same or better results than states with strict mask rules proves masking is next to insignificant as far as mitigation policies go.

No the goal was not always eliminating spread lol go back and look it up.

you don’t seem to understand how pandemics work

Mask rules aren’t the same as mask compliance. Study after study has shown proper masking has pretty significant effect.
Proper masking by all Americans on a consistent basis, Covid would be eradicated even without vaccines.
 

dreday3

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If things keep going well, no hiccups, my non-scientific opinion is that we can see loosening of mask restrictions by October.
Perhaps indoor only for restaurants/rides/hotel - yes, logistically how to enforce, but that's not my problem to figure out 😁.

But for walking around outside at the parks, hotels, etc. - I think masks may be optional by then. And I'd be cool with that!
 

JAKECOTCenter

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I’m more in the camp that the actual 50th (October 1) might be maskless, if only on the basis that the problem of supply is gradually becoming nonexistent. If demand is the issue, then I think Disney could very well relax July 2020 rules
 

Chip Chipperson

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Mask rules aren’t the same as mask compliance. Study after study has shown proper masking has pretty significant effect.
Proper masking by all Americans on a consistent basis, Covid would be eradicated even without vaccines.

Exactly. Mask rules in public places can't prevent people from being dumb and having 20 people over for an indoor party in a small home, for example. In NJ there are towns where the residents have refused to comply with regulations from the beginning and there have been numerous illegal nightclub parties, restaurants ignoring capacity limits, etc. in densely populated areas in northern NJ.
 

Chi84

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masks work and help in very minor ways. For some reason people think a mask is doing way more than it is. Again, the results speak for themselves. States with loose mask rules having the same or better results than states with strict mask rules proves masking is next to insignificant as far as mitigation policies go.

No the goal was not always eliminating spread lol go back and look it up.

you don’t seem to understand how pandemics work
Masks work best when used as stated by the CDC: when you have to be in contact with someone for a significant length of time (usually indoors) and cannot maintain a separation of 6 feet. The problem is that they are being worn consistently in public places where people are just passing each other briefly, but not by co-workers who are in contact with each other and certainly not in individual households. I see people at our local arboretum pull up a mask while passing someone several feet away. The mask isn't doing anything in that circumstance. I think most public mask mandates are in place based on enforcement issues.
 

GoofGoof

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Since I had gone stir with you, I’ll say I think this post is mostly spot on.

Though I don’t think Chapek was necessarily referring explicitly to the fiscal year or calendar year. Because either way, normalization won’t be hitting a switch. October 1st will likely have significantly less restrictions than today. But I don’t expect full normalization by 10/1. And I suspect masks will be among the last things to go. I wouldn’t be shocked if mask mandates were gone by October... but also wouldn’t be shocked if they stay in place for months longer.

There truly still is a lot we don’t know. So I really can’t blame Biden/Fauci messaging on the side of caution. Rather be pleasantly surprised that we can lift restrictions faster than anticipated, then be told we will be normal by summer, only to learn in June that the spread of variants will require even more restrictions till the end of the year.
I agree that they shouldn’t tell people we will be normal by Summer. Nothing should be that absolute. My preference would be to tell people that if everything goes as planned on vaccine deliveries and if enough people agree to get the vaccine then its possible we could see a relaxing of restrictions and a return to something close to normal as early as sometime this summer. That’s not promising anything, it’s just laying out what could happen if things lineup right and people get vaccinated ASAP. IMHO nobody should be predicting anything as far out as 10 to 12 months from now. That is counterproductive and is a negative towards vaccine acceptance for sure. If the true belief is things won’t go back to normal until 2022 they are better off saying we just don’t know when things will return to normal but the sooner we all get vaccinated the sooner we can end the pandemic.

On the variant front I don’t think the goal or target should assume a variant situation that’s not currently happening. Right now the South African and other variants are not the dominant ones in the US. It’s possible they become dominant and I’d be OK if they mention that as a possibility but we shouldn’t set a target of end of year in case that happens. I’d rather hear what the target is based on current circumstances and then have them update that target based on what happens with the variants. If by June a variant forces us to push plans back then so be it you update in June. I still believe the relaxing and removal of restrictions will still be based on case numbers and not vaccine doses administered. If the variants cause case numbers to spike then we delay removal of restrictions at that time. If cases continue to drop despite the existence of variants then we continue with the plans.
 

DC0703

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The liberal news media wants to make sure that Biden gets all the credit for resolving the pandemic. If they reported the truth that because of the vaccine, the pandemic could be over by April 30, just 100 days into the Biden administration, the public would know Biden had nothing to do with it but he inherited the fix. I took my first Pfizer shot Friday, my wife took her second Moderna Shot 10 days ago. NJ is well on its way to this being over snd so is NY and they are currently the 2nd and 3rd highest number of cases per 100,000. Face it, we will be back to normal this summer.
We would all love it if this pandemic was over by April 30, but I'm not even certain if all states will be vaccinating the general public by that point. In many places, it is still hard for 65+ to get vaccine appointments and a lot of states have not even opened vaccination up to essential workers yet. I do agree that things should be much better this summer. The pandemic will not likely be over yet, but things will certainly be better than now.
 

GoofGoof

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If things keep going well, no hiccups, my non-scientific opinion is that we can see loosening of mask restrictions by October.
Perhaps indoor only for restaurants/rides/hotel - yes, logistically how to enforce, but that's not my problem to figure out 😁.

But for walking around outside at the parks, hotels, etc. - I think masks may be optional by then. And I'd be cool with that!
I think this is possible. I think distancing is relaxed first and then masks but in both cases it may be gradual. Distancing on ride vehicles relaxed first, then later on outdoor lines, then on indoor lines and finally in restaurants. Masks could be the same as you say with outdoor optional. I don’t see Disney doing everything at once like a light switch. I also think it will depend on the rest of society. If in July everyone is going to MLB games or concerts without masks and without distancing Disney will have a much better leg to stand on to allow some of that a their parks. They won’t be first movers but won’t be completely left out. It is a business after all and less restrictions equals more profits.
 

DC0703

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I think this is possible. I think distancing is relaxed first and then masks but in both cases it may be gradual. Distancing on ride vehicles relaxed first, then later on outdoor lines, then on indoor lines and finally in restaurants. Masks could be the same as you say with outdoor optional. I don’t see Disney doing everything at once like a light switch. I also think it will depend on the rest of society. If in July everyone is going to MLB games or concerts without masks and without distancing Disney will have a much better leg to stand on to allow some of that a their parks. They won’t be first movers but won’t be completely left out. It is a business after all and less restrictions equals more profits.
When vaccinations are widespread, I could certainly see a scenario where Disney amends their mask policy to say mandatory indoors, optional outdoors. Outdoor spread has been questioned for a while now, especially in hot, humid weather. The bigger question would be whether Disney would want to deal with the enforcement of that, which would require some policing at the entrances to rides, shops, etc.
 

SamusAranX

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Not COVID related but when my sister-in-law died and alcohol abuse was listed as a contributing factor (she was in her 20's), my father-in-law requested that the medical examiner remove the reference so she wouldn't look bad to people who saw it. The ME revised it. This is 100% fact and not some conspiracy theory.
That was respectful and kind of the ME.

I don’t doubt that some covid deaths have been mislabeled or mistaken. That’s just the nature of human error. I just doubt theres a grand conspiracy to do it deliberately
 

GoofGoof

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We would all love it if this pandemic was over by April 30, but I'm not even certain if all states will be vaccinating the general public by that point. In many places, it is still hard for 65+ to get vaccine appointments and a lot of states have not even opened vaccination up to essential workers yet. I do agree that things should be much better this summer. The pandemic will not likely be over yet, but things will certainly be better than now.
My gut says most states will be on to the general public by April 30 assuming the manufacturers hit their targets.

I agree the pandemic will not likely be over by the Summer but it also doesn’t need to be over for us to return to many normal activities. The US is actually ahead of most of the rest of the world on vaccinations so the worldwide pandemic will likely continue long after cases here are under control. This past Summer New Zealand was able to reopen the vast majority of their economy despite the pandemic raging on in other places. We could see that here later in 2021.

I also think we can start to see a relaxing of Covid restrictions before the pandemic ends and before we reach herd immunity. It’s possible that as cases start to drop we continue to gradually remove restrictions and as long as that doesn’t result in a spike in cases we continue as the vaccine rollout continues. I know some people are thinking that we need to reach herd immunity first and then wait a certain amount of time before relaxing restrictions but I don’t think it will be that linear. Cases will start dropping long before we hit herd immunity and relaxing of restrictions will follow case numbers.
 
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