Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

You do realize that this type of attitude/directive coming from people like you causes people to get defiant, don't you? If you want to get people to act in a certain way, an incentivized approach would work far better than a dictatorial "get in line" approach.

I agree. There are challenging times ahead in the next few months, and we need to explore serious solutions to them. The disruptions caused by COVID are something we've never seen before, and I'm at a loss to explain why some people say they won't get the vaccine or won't comply with mitigation efforts designed to bring this to an end as soon as possible. But that's the situation we have, and we need confront it in a realistic and sensible manner. Berating people isn't the answer.

 

[GoofGoof]

Pfizer vaccine proving out efficacy on a larger scale in Israel. Only 31 of 163,000 vaccine recipients got Covid vs 6,437 people in the control group that were not vaccinated. Equivalent of 92% efficacy. This study doesn’t say how many of the 31 had severe Covid, but the previous study showed none of the infected having serious complications.

First official vaccine results from Israel show Pfizer jabs offer substantial protection from Covid

srael has announced that less than 0.04 per cent of patients who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine have developed Covid, as it released its first official results on the world's fastest inoculations drive. According to the Israeli health ministry, only 317 of 715,425 patients caught...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You do realize that this type of attitude/directive coming from people like you causes people to get defiant, don't you? If you want to get people to act in a certain way, an incentivized approach would work far better than a dictatorial "get in line" approach.

“You ain’t gonna call me dumb!!”


...yeah...not interested. But thanks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree. There are challenging times ahead in the next few months, and we need to explore serious solutions to them. The disruptions caused by COVID are something we've never seen before, and I'm at a loss to explain why some people say they won't get the vaccine or won't comply with mitigation efforts designed to bring this to an end as soon as possible. But that's the situation we have, and we need confront it in a realistic and sensible manner. Berating people isn't the answer.

Serious solutions are being explored. Irrational defiance is not a factor in serious solutions.

It’s not “berating”...don’t care about snowflake feelings (that was ALWAYS gonna come back around)

I invite everyone to research the polio vaccine rollout. It worked. If it ain’t broke.

 

[danlb_2000]

From the beginning they have been saying this may be part of our new seasonal virus friends - the cold, the flu, Covid-19. It's never going away.

That's why the companies who made the vaccine are now working on boosters for new variants, and will continue to do so from here on out I would imagine.. I think it will definitely become like the flu (as in ever-changing) and we will probably need annual (maybe longer) shots. Although a 95% efficacy rate is far better than the flu shot efficacy rate.

And when it becomes a normality and available to public in same quantities as flu shots, if people choose not to get the shots, then they need to make sure to protect themselves. And why working on a easily accessible treatment is still very important.

It's certainly possible, but I am hopeful with the effectivity of the vaccines that this won't be the case. The effectivity of these vaccine should be sufficient to eradicate the virus if most people were vaccinated. Even if that doesn't happen, it should reduce the spread enough to limit more mutations. The virus has infected a massive number of people world wide which would lead to a lot of mutations, but the vaccines are still showing effectivity against most if not all of these mutations.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's certainly possible, but I am hopeful with the effectivity of the vaccines that this won't be the case. The effectivity of these vaccine should be sufficient to eradicate the virus if most people were vaccinated. Even if that doesn't happen, it should reduce the spread enough to limit more mutations. The virus has infected a massive number of people world wide which would lead to a lot of mutations, but the vaccines are still showing effectivity against most if not all of these mutations.

I don’t think the goal should be “eradication”...it’s near impossible to control biology to that level...especially viruses.

The goal is low cases, few hospitals stays and rare deaths.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I don’t think the goal should be “eradication”...it’s near impossible to control biology to that level...especially viruses.

The goal is low cases, few hospitals stays and rare deaths.

I am stunned! That is two time's in one month that you have made complete sense.

 

[Disney Experience]

The 85 year old who works full time (Part of their job is first response) has been trying to get vaccinated for over a month. He decided to take his off hours and go and sit in Publix. He was never able to get an online booking anywhere (He does not have the ability to watch the internet and then respond immediately to openings because of his work). So he just went in Monday and sat hoping there would be extras or no-shows. He sat for hours on Monday but they had no extra. On Tuesday evening the Pharmacist handed him the form and gave him his Moderna shot. I am glad he got the vaccine vs at some point getting covid. (Of course he is not yet at max immunity, having only had the first of the two shots). They scheduled him for the second.

 

[danlb_2000]

I agree. There are challenging times ahead in the next few months, and we need to explore serious solutions to them. The disruptions caused by COVID are something we've never seen before, and I'm at a loss to explain why some people say they won't get the vaccine or won't comply with mitigation efforts designed to bring this to an end as soon as possible. But that's the situation we have, and we need confront it in a realistic and sensible manner. Berating people isn't the answer.

I had a Facebook "friend" go on a anti-covid vaccine tear yesterday. This person had posted some questionable things in the past but I could normally get them to see reason, but I had no hope this time. It started from some videos that have been circulating from a couple people claiming odd medical problems after getting the vaccine and saying the vaccine caused it without any proof. It spiraled out of control from there to over the top government conspiracy theories. She also fell back on the old "the truth is being kept from you, you have to do your research" which often means, you have to seek out more information that supports your case and not look at all sides, because the other side is lying to you. Hard to reason with someone like that.

 

[danlb_2000]

I don’t think the goal should be “eradication”...it’s near impossible to control biology to that level...especially viruses.

The goal is low cases, few hospitals stays and rare deaths.

I don't agree with that. I think the goal should always be eradication, with the understanding that in most cases it will not happen. There are a number of infectious diseases that have been pretty much eradicated, so it is possible.

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't agree with that. I think the goal should always be eradication, with the understanding that in most cases it will not happen. There are a number of infectious diseases that have been pretty much eradicated, so it is possible.

Agreed. We could also get lucky and a mutation could actually work in our benefit. The virus could mutate into something less contagious.

 

[danlb_2000]

I wonder what happened in Illinois. Numbers went up after Halloween, but there were no spikes after Thanksgiving or Christmas. Everyone was worried, especially about Chicago, but the numbers have been going down pretty steadily since November 10, I think. I'd like to believe people here were more responsible in terms of holiday gatherings, but I sincerely doubt that was the case. We are on the more restrictive side with mitigation efforts, but compliance has started to slide in the last few months. Surprising, but certainly welcome.

Illinois did have upswings after the holidays (indicated by the red lines) but their overall trend has been down. In comparison the US also shows those upswings but the overall trend was up until recently.

 

[Chi84]

Illinois did have upswings after the holidays (indicated by the red lines) but their overall trend has been down. In comparison the US also shows those upswings but the overall trend was up until recently.

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Those upswings were nothing like what local officials were predicting. We just went down to 4.5% and indoor dining has “reopened” (many restaurants never stopped), albeit with pretty severe restrictions. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next month or so.

 

[GoofGoof]

Illinois did have upswings after the holidays (indicated by the red lines) but their overall trend has been down. In comparison the US also shows those upswings but the overall trend was up until recently.

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Is this like one of those Trump with the sharpie things where you drew in those red lines

I think it’s safe to say any bump from the holidays seems to be over so hopefully we are turning the corner on this wave and the trend continues down into the Spring.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I had a Facebook "friend" go on a anti-covid vaccine tear yesterday. This person had posted some questionable things in the past but I could normally get them to see reason, but I had no hope this time. It started from some videos that have been circulating from a couple people claiming odd medical problems after getting the vaccine and saying the vaccine caused it without any proof. It spiraled out of control from there to over the top government conspiracy theories. She also fell back on the old "the truth is being kept from you, you have to do your research" which often means, you have to seek out more information that supports your case and not look at all sides, because the other side is lying to you. Hard to reason with someone like that.

"Research" to these people inevitably means a Google or Facebook search using grade-school level vocabulary. These searches use algorithms designed to find the answer it thinks you want, not the strongest possible evidence for a given question.

 

[dreday3]

Those upswings were nothing like what local officials were predicting. We just went down to 4.5% and indoor dining has “reopened” (many restaurants never stopped), albeit with pretty severe restrictions. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next month or so.

I know what you are saying. It was NOTHING like they were predicting - which is of course, awesome.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

The 85 year old full time person I know (Part of their job is first response) who has been trying to get vaccinated for over a month decided to take his off hours and go and sit in Publix. Her was never able to get an online booking anywhere (He does not have the ability to watch the internet and then respond immediately to openings because of his work). So he just went in Monday and sat hoping there would be extras or no-shows. He sat for hours on Monday but they had no extra. On Tuesday evening the Pharmacist handed him the form and gave him his Moderna shot. I am glad he got the vaccine vs at some point getting covid. (Of course he is not yet at max immunity, having only had the first of the two shots). They scheduled him for the second.

I have a friend who is an essential worker and managed to get one this week too from a pharmacy. She waited It out, asked everyday, and presented her case. I have a feeling pharmacists are going to start becoming more empathetic to people wanting a vaccine. Around here they are absolutely FED UP with the process as it seems to change every hour and they dont even know what to do sometimes.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Here comes the MLKjr holiday spike!!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Relieved to see our country heading in the right direction, but its not over, the real test of if the exponential growth is ending will be Super Bowl and Valentines day.

Please y'all, dont go to any events surrounding these days. We are SO incredibly close to the end.

 

[dreday3]

Relieved to see our country heading in the right direction, but its not over, the real test of if the exponential growth is ending will be Super Bowl and Valentines day.

Please y'all, dont go to any events surrounding these days. We are SO incredibly close to the end.

St. Patrick's day is what started all the stay-at-home orders/closings here in Chicago!