My house would be okay with at or above 80% i want more at risk to get the mRNA but my 40 something spouse and teen kid would be good. At or above 80% is nothing to sneeze at.
I won't refuse to be vaccinated if it was just to create herd immunity but if I can get more protection for myself by waiting longer, I'd choose that option. If it is just a small difference like a 90% vs. 95% I wouldn't care and would rather have the one dose shot, but 80% vs. 95% is a pretty big spread in personal protection.
Sign me up for 80!
I guess we’ll need a good old fashion education campaign if people think like this for the public if this is the prevailing thought of Americans. Think about it. If you are wearing your mask and walk into some droplets, you might inhale a rather small viral load. With vaccination at 80%, you are highly unlikely to get sick from COVID. But if you were, the symptoms would be mild. Not enough to send you to a hospital certainly, and I’d imagine that your viral load would not be potent enough to do serious damage to others...especially since you’re wearing your mask.
I completely understand the concept but in my age group and with my health status there is a miniscule chance that I would end up in the hospital if I got COVID without having had any vaccine. Like I said above, my personal motivation to not get COVID is not losing my sense of taste and smell for an extended period of time.
I think there probably is a breaking point. I don’t know if it’s 70 or 80 or 90 where people say they would rather wait. The U.K. approved the Oxford vaccine which was 70% in the trial on average. That should give us some idea how the mass public is thinking. If the vaccine effectiveness is too low it may not help us reach herd immunity, but 70%+ is probably going to get it done. If it’s 50-70% that may not be as helpful unless we get 90%+ vaccinated. The less effective the vaccine the more people we need and we know there’s a certain number of people who won’t get it no matter what.
The testing money is mostly for headcount. He wants to add additional people for contact tracing and testing. In theory once community spread drops to a manageable level if you have robust contact tracing it’s possible to prevent larger outbreaks going forward. Places like New Zealand and Australia have been able to implement this.
Ok, I hear yah. But...i think if you do inhale some droplets and you are vaccinated even by the 80% one, then the viral load that you can spread to others would be less. Thereby, helping others. And you’d probably just have cold like symptoms if anything any way.
We all have our own opinions and yours is fine. Being one of the last on the list if I were not in a trial (supposedly a 20 something was really above me probably due to being supposedly responsible at early 40s vs 20s lol) I figure by the time it comes to my house, we cannot be choosers at all. What is left is what is left.
That’s how I am with asthma, so I thought I was more or less in the clear.
I'd prefer spending $70 billion to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible and spend zero on additional testing and contact tracing. If enough people are vaccinated then the level of cases should be low enough that the existing testing and contact tracing capability should be able to handle it.
There is no real contact tracing right now. I have a good friend who tested positive a week ago (5 family members total) and none of them were even contacted by the department of health. They did tell the people they had contact with, but there was no attempt to do real contact tracing. I saw recently that France was dramatically increasing testing in schools in an attempt to keep physical schools open. There’s still a need for testing and tracing. Covid isn’t going to vanish. It’s going to be a gradual reduction. If we wait for the vaccine alone it may mean we wipe 2021 out too. It’s possible to speed up the process if we combine vaccination with better testing and tracing to reduce cases. I know you don’t think cases matter, but that’s not what the public policy says.
Looks like the JnJ vaccine which hasn’t even been approved yet is facing manufacturing delays that have set it back 2 months and doses aren’t expected now until end of April. They still expect to have full results for the phase 3 trial in a few weeks, but even if they get EUA in Feb it won’t help us speed the vaccine process until Q2
Johnson & Johnson One Shot Covid-19 Vaccine Delayed
Johnson & Johnson’s one-shot Covid-19 vaccine reportedly is as much as two months behind original production schedule and won’t catch up until the end of April.www.thestreet.com
I wonder if they will push this vaccine for children who are already less likely to get covid seriously and because of not having the mrna factor. Infants and kids of all ages are encouraged to get the flu shot, so I could see this being likely.
Not sure if you think we are not taking it seriously or not, but we are. Also not sure if it is the same as my spouse, since to be real his linger cough is throat tickle and not lung issues. The guy who died sadly had a history of severe asthma as a child in addition to chronic bronchitis and cancer. Those along with delayed treatment and other things didn't help. I feel so bad for that family as they really went through a lot with him.
No trial has done all children yet though so likely no. At least not for many months. Even then it's really just pubescent and above. For now it's only 16/17 minimum age.
I think that’s possible. Especially with the 1 shot vs 2. The governor of FL said he thinks that JnJ could be the way to go for the front line workers in the next phase since it will be so much quicker to distribute.
