Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

So we let people continue to spread the disease because they weren't born here? Asking as someone with family who had to work hard to become citizens and others who really don't need citizenship but work here. Sorry I have little patience for this idea and rhetoric I see spewed often.

and the many field workers that keep us fed.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And what are these people planning to do about the second shot, I wonder?

Dumb...setting yourself up for failure

Agree they should do something to only vaccinate US citizens.

Is this the new boogie man from the riotous news network?

 

[hopemax]

Yeah, not what I meant. Just a simple check to make sure the people getting the vaccine actually live here and aren’t tourists from another country.

I assumed that for you But your original phrasing was open for another interpretation, as seen by the follow up that I was trying to avoid promoting directly by quoting your post and not it.

 

[correcaminos]

There are some grey areas here. What about, for example, the Canadian snowbirds, particularly those that own property in Florida? There's probably not as many down there this year, but the numbers still probably aren't negligible either.

I wouldn't be too happy either if my non-citizen wife, who has permanent residency status, was denied by the state of Vermont for this reason.

I know a snowbird stuck. They have utilities they could prove are at least seasonal residents there. I have a few friends who live abroad with spouse and partners and even solo from where they are born. I want them all covered no matter where they live.

Yeah, not what I meant. Just a simple check to make sure the people getting the vaccine actually live here and aren’t tourists from another country.

I figured that of you. More like proving status for state or county discounts on tickets IMO

 

[GoofGoof]

There are some grey areas here. What about, for example, the Canadian snowbirds, particularly those that own property in Florida? There's probably not as many down there this year, but the numbers still probably aren't negligible either.

I wouldn't be too happy either if my non-citizen wife, who has permanent residency status, was denied by the state of Vermont for this reason.

Like I said, a simple basic check. Utility bill, pay stub, some other form of mailing showing the address where you live. A snow bird would have something like that even if they don’t have a FL driver‘s license. I would assume a lot of non-citizens who are permanent residents have a driver‘s license from the state they live in or one of the other ways listed above to show they live in that state. It has nothing to do with immigration status, that’s not what they would be checking for.

 

[sullyinMT]

To be fair, I didn’t see the “citizens only” comment as any different than “residents only.” I’m sure there is a fringe out there that sees it more strict than that.

Call that American privilege” if you like (probably fair), but of course the resident worker goes way beyond agricultural/food supply. There are a fair number of Aussie and Scot expats working in my area as petroleum engineers. Not to mention researchers, university professors, and many others. No one with a heart would deny them vaccination status in this nation.

I do agree, though, that if states are receiving allocations based on population that they should be verifying state residency status to preserve those doses for their . Not to mention easier second dose compliance if your state of residence is where you’re inoculated.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I do agree, though, that if states are receiving allocations based on population that they should be verifying state residency status to preserve those doses for their . Not to mention easier second dose compliance if your state of residence is where you’re inoculated.

Desantis only cares about one thing. At the end of the day he gets to stay "Today we vaccinated #### this many people, thanks to me!!!"

 

[mmascari]

Yesterday, the seven-day positivity rate was 7.3%.

That's still bad. Less bad than 12%, 15%, or higher clearly. But, still bad. Let's see it get under 5% for some things and under 1% make it super wide open with aggressive contact tracing, fast testing, and isolation. Under 1%, that should be possible and effective.

To be fair, I didn’t see the “citizens only” comment as any different than “residents only.” I’m sure there is a fringe out there that sees it more strict than that.

Call that American privilege” if you like (probably fair), but of course the resident worker goes way beyond agricultural/food supply. There are a fair number of Aussie and Scot expats working in my area as petroleum engineers. Not to mention researchers, university professors, and many others. No one with a heart would deny them vaccination status in this nation.

I do agree, though, that if states are receiving allocations based on population that they should be verifying state residency status to preserve those doses for their . Not to mention easier second dose compliance if your state of residence is where you’re inoculated.

There was a state governor who specifically only wanted to vaccinate citizens. They were not just referring to residents but specifically meant citizens. As if a virus only impacts citizens, or cannot transmit between non citizens and citizens.

As many other have pointed out, while supplies are short and being managed by state, its reasonable to require some proof of state affiliation. The least restrictive the proof the better. A piece of mail or account statement (all the full paperless people) would typically be enough and a rather low bar. Certainly lower than establishing residency, just above being a visitor. Even that still leaves out homeless. But, they're probably already left out of lots of appointment options today and really there should be a focus on homeless shelters and services just like a focus on prisons where neither appointments or proof would be needed. If someone want's to get arrested and go to jail for enough time to get a vaccine that's quite the dedication.

Getting supply ramped up enough, and capacity to dose, that we don't need to restrict who can get it each day would solve the problem too. One can wish (especially from the back of the line).

 

[oceanbreeze77]

With DL getting rid of passes, its clear disney is trying to optimize capacity in different ways. With this, I'm going to predict that vaccines are required for entry at least into DL, then make its way to WDW.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Dumb...setting yourself up for failure



Is this the new boogie man from the riotous news network?

Forget the residents or citizens talk.. have you seen the uproar over smokers getting the clearance to get vaccinated in Jersey? Just saw 2 people on the news going ballistic about it. I think I’ll just watch from the sidelines and watch everyone go crazy.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

have you seen the uproar over smokers getting the clearance to get vaccinated in Jersey?

??

 

[DisneyDebRob]

??

Smokers are eligible for the COVID vaccine in N.J. The move has some in a huff, but experts say it’s good policy.

People are buzzing over the decision to start vaccinating an estimated 2 million smokers.

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Forget the residents or citizens talk.. have you seen the uproar over smokers getting the clearance to get vaccinated in Jersey? Just saw 2 people on the news going ballistic about it. I think I’ll just watch from the sidelines and watch everyone go crazy.

What?!? What’s “New Jersey”??


...of course I have. But it’s not what people think: they want them vaccinated so they don’t end up in the hospitals. They want to make it so they can be ignored. That’s the reason...no matter what is said. ( I may or may not work on things with the department of health )

 

[DisneyDebRob]

What?!? What’s “New Jersey”??


...of course I have. But it’s not what people think: they want them vaccinated so they don’t end up in the hospitals. They want to make it so they can be ignored. That’s the reason...no matter what is said. ( I may or may not work on things with the department of health )

I know the reasons.. but doesn’t matter in some minds. People are freaking out.

 

[GoofGoof]

I know the reasons.. but doesn’t matter in some minds. People are freaking out.

People need to come to terms with the fact that “fair“ has nothing to do with this. The fair way to do things is not always going to be the best way to get it done. Removing high risk people from the equation helps us all in the medium to long term as hospitals begin to recover and deaths drop off.

 

[Patcheslee]

Indiana opened up to ages 70+ yesterday. Mom is trying to get an appointment for my step-dad but closest is an hour drive north in a week. It got me thinking: Are all states allocating by population size for counties? Won't it just throw things off on distribution because people are having to drive counties away?

So that next week appt: nope FEBRUARY 20th not January . Told my mom I'll keep an eye out for more distribution locations and openings till then. In 24hrs hrs our county had 168 people with shots administered (population 44k), I can't even tell if that's good or bad anymore Craziness

 

[Disney Experience]

Florida to begin statewide appointment system for COVID-19 vaccine

Florida’s director of emergency management says a statewide appointment system for COVID-19 vaccinations will bring order to the chaos marking the first weeks of the state’s rollout to its most vulnerable residents.

www.clickorlando.com

“We're working on a registration system that we plan to launch in the coming weeks to help integrate site registration and fix some of the problems that we've all read about," he said.

The design of a statewide online portal is still under discussion and will be made available to counties — who are not required to use the system — to help them coordinate vaccinations.

Since then, the governor has sought to widen the number of vaccination sites. The state is receiving $194 million from the federal government to help distribute the vaccines.

As of Wednesday, about 774,000 Floridians had at least one shot of two vaccines approved by the federal government. More than 1.5 million people have tested positive for the virus in the state since the pandemic began; nearly 24,000 have died.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Desantis using logic!?!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People need to come to terms with the fact that “fair“ has nothing to do with this. The fair way to do things is not always going to be the best way to get it done. Removing high risk people from the equation helps us all in the medium to long term as hospitals begin to recover and deaths drop off.

Rational adults agree...but apparently there aren’t nearly as many of those as ever once was.

This isn’t a “reward”...it’s the Scarlet S