Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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HarperRose

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The $1,200 stimulus checks from the Spring and the $600 additional checks being issued next week are really advances on a 2020 refundable tax credit. When you file your 2020 taxes there will be a section for this tax credit and most people will show they are eligible and received the advance so a net zero impact on their tax return. If you are eligible based on 2020 earnings but didn’t receive the checks because you didn’t qualify based on 2018 or 2019 earnings you will get the money when you file your 2020 tax return. This is a refundable tax credit so even if you earned zero in 2020 you would still get the $1,800 as a refund. It’s unfortunate that the timing worked out that some people needed the money sooner but they will at least be made whole once they file their taxes.
Correct, but if you are on the verge of losing your house, your electricity is about to be turned off, there are no Christmas presents for your kids and/or you don't know how you're going to feed your kids tomorrow, you don't give a rip that it's a tax credit. People needed help months ago and $600 is a slap in the face.

(We are not eligible for the stimulus checks)
 

mmascari

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Just remember where this $600 came from, the government just prints money out of thin air backed by nothing adding to our monstrous debt we can never repay. The house of cards will eventually fall so enjoy your $600 bucks while you can.

If it was your budget and funding, or your town, or county, or even you state doing the funding, sure that's how it works. But, it's the federal government doing it. An entity "with its own central bank and currency and that never use another country’s currency"


The rules are different. As long as injecting all the money doesn't cause an over supply of money sloshing around, it'll be fine. If it does start to cause to much, they can tax some back at that point to reduce the money in circulation. There's a reason the debt hasn't tanked us yet, and a core one of them is that the cash flow of the federal government is nothing like any other example as long as this stays true, "with its own central bank and currency and that never use another country’s currency".
 

SamusAranX

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This time around your friends will get the full $600 when they file their 2020 taxes. The $600 is an advance on a tax credit for your 2020 tax return so if you don’t qualify due to your 2019 return you will be able to apply for the credit with your 2020 return. Not getting the money now when needed but it’s coming eventually.

Where did you get this? I thought the stimulus was "no strings attached", i.e. I won't get hit on my taxes. Are you saying that I will get 600 dollars less on my tax refund?!
 

GoofGoof

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Correct, but if you are on the verge of losing your house, your electricity is about to be turned off, there are no Christmas presents for your kids and/or you don't know how you're going to feed your kids tomorrow, you don't give a rip that it's a tax credit. People needed help months ago and $600 is a slap in the face.

(We are not eligible for the stimulus checks)
The timing would suck in that case but $1,800 isn’t going to make a difference anyway. However, for someone in that boat the original Cares Act allowed for mortgage forbearance for up to 6 months as well as the option to extend for an additional 6 months so you will still owe the same balance once the dust settles you won’t lose your house today. If you are a renter they extended the moratorium on evictions again so nobody should be getting evicted now either. They also extended supplemental SNAP benefits under this new bill so no kids should be going hungry. Electricity is a little different. State public utility commissions set rules. I work In the energy industry and the sates that we operate in all have some form of restriction on turning off people’s power similar to the eviction rules. The states usually require the utility to establish a deferral and payment plan regardless of the person’s credit history.

The point of all of this is there are many programs designed to help people. They aren’t perfect, but the $600 checks are not intended to cure all issues. Those other programs are targeted at the exact problems.
 

Kevin_W

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Discouraging to see Florida keep trending up, even if only slightly. My state (Ohio) has been on a slight downward trend since the start of December. After 2 weeks of staying flat, our total hospitalizations have declined each of the past 6 days. I hope that continues.

Frist Moderna shots went into arms today in addition to the Pfizer. Though we haven't crossed the 10,000 mark yet - a far cry to go to get the several hundred thousand they wanted injected by New Years.
 

GoofGoof

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Where did you get this? I thought the stimulus was "no strings attached", i.e. I won't get hit on my taxes. Are you saying that I will get 600 dollars less on my tax refund?!
No not at all. I’m saying you are entitled to a $600 refundable tax credit but instead of waiting for the money until you file your taxes for 2020 you get an advance on that credit next week. You won’t owe anything back as long as your were actually entitled to the money in the first place. For someone who never gets the $600 but is actually eligible they will get it when they file their 2020 return.
 

SamusAranX

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No not at all. I’m saying you are entitled to a $600 refundable tax credit but instead of waiting for the money until you file your taxes for 2020 you get an advance on that credit next week. You won’t owe anything back as long as your were actually entitled to the money in the first place. For someone who never gets the $600 but is actually eligible they will get it when they file their 2020 return.
Whew. You scared the the you know what out of me.
 

Disney Experience

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Frist Moderna shots went into arms today in addition to the Pfizer. Though we haven't crossed the 10,000 mark yet - a far cry to go to get the several hundred thousand they wanted injected by New Years.


Pfizer vaccinated in USA is 272,000 and growing.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Dr. Tom Clark said that as of Saturday, at least 272,001 doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have been administered in the United States

During a meeting of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, Clark said that the number was a “minimal estimate,” since there is a lag in reporting.
 

Disney Experience

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I think some folks here need a lesson on how the Federal Reserve works, its purpose :joyfull:
The Fed has saved USA from some problems of leverage. LTCM if it had fallen would have dragged a lot more down with it, than the amount that was given to prop it up. Amazing what 100 PHD (including Nobel prize winner) in a small company with extreme leverage can put at risk.

 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
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The Fed has saved USA from some problems of leverage. LTCM if it had fallen would have dragged a lot more down with it, than the amount that was given to prop it up.

I know, that is my point. Side note, I work there and its just funny how so may people use the same baseless garbage argument that the fed just prints money (The Treasury actuals does) and nothing to back it with blah blah blah. Oh well.
 

GoofGoof

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Pfizer vaccinated in USA is 272,000 and growing.

This one says updated as of yesterday. 556,208 administered doses.

 

JoeCamel

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No not at all. I’m saying you are entitled to a $600 refundable tax credit but instead of waiting for the money until you file your taxes for 2020 you get an advance on that credit next week. You won’t owe anything back as long as your were actually entitled to the money in the first place. For someone who never gets the $600 but is actually eligible they will get it when they file their 2020 return.
I would think it will show as income so we still get to pay tax on it and the $1200 from before
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
No
This one says updated as of yesterday. 556,208 administered doses.

I've got a good friend who is an administrator for Mayo Clinic working the vaccine logistics for them and he feels pretty confident that everyone will have access to a vaccine that wants one by April. He and the staff have already been vaccinated.
 

Bill in Atlanta

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I really really really want to think it's possible, but don't want to get my hopes up. Looking till at least end of 1st quarter before general population can get vaccinated, and that doesn't include kids yet.
Thanks. Does anyone know (or want to speculate on) what benchmarks Disney is watching in regards to dropping the mask requirement? Is it a certain vaccination % of population or just the availability of the vaccine? Or does it have more to do with cases/hospitalizations?
 

oceanbreeze77

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Thanks. Does anyone know (or want to speculate on) what benchmarks Disney is watching in regards to dropping the mask requirement? Is it a certain vaccination % of population or just the availability of the vaccine? Or does it have more to do with cases/hospitalizations?
probably % of vaccinated population. Even if the vaccine is available for everyone, that's doesn't mean enough people will get it.
 
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