Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

His administration and himself has pushed it for awhile. To go back to April and find something he said.. and believe me it’s so tough even understanding what the heck he is talking about is a reach.

Opinion: Trump's comments on COVID-19 'herd immunity' are dangerous

We don't have a vaccine. The only way to reach herd immunity is to let the virus rampage through the population, the authors write.

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Trump embraces idea behind 'herd immunity' as Fauci calls concept 'total nonsense'

President Donald Trump's views reflect those of a small subset of scientists, with a powerful ally in the White House, pushing the concept if "herd immunity."

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I could post links all day.

In neither of those references did he "support" a herd immunity strategy. In the town hall answer, if you watch it, he just says that it would go away over time without a vaccine because of herd immunity. This isn't a disputed fact. There would be a lot of deaths but herd immunity would eventually happen and the pandemic would go away. The vast majority of his answer was about the vaccine and the herd immunity statement was a brief exchange.

The other article puts words in his mouth and says he embraces the idea behind herd immunity and goes on to say that he said he is immune and once you get it and get over it you are immune (which is likely true but unknown as to how long). The quotes they throw in about "unscientific lockdowns" don't mean pushing herd immunity. There are all kinds of stories about how data in California counties shows very little spread from indoor dining (operating under the protocols that were in place) but then having indoor dining banned.

I grabbed the transcript from April because I was able to find it quickly. He said similar several times.

 

[DisneyCane]

I don’t buy it. The vaccine rollout is being handled by career CDC and military people, not Trump cronies. I doubt Trump even cares at this point. He’s busy filing lawsuits and trying to figure out a way to stay in power after losing a free and fair election.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The rollout has about as much to do with Trump as he had with developing the vaccine. He pushed to speed the approval process but the vaccine would have been developed if there wasn't anybody serving as President.

 

[JoeCamel]

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The rollout has about as much to do with Trump as he had with developing the vaccine. He pushed to speed the approval process but the vaccine would have been developed if there wasn't anybody serving as President.

Right, just shows the poor communication and planning this government put into getting this right. He said she said is not a good look and it could have been avoided with communication.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yeah, it seems like that local news station allows their coverage to be co-opted.

Who is rooting for COVID deaths?

Also, I’m really glad to see you’ve come around to the idea that those who aren’t following mitigation protocols are as reckless as drunk drivers. Avoidable deaths caused by others are the worst kind of losses.

My point was, things happen in life that are simply unfair and it hurts just as bad no matter the alleged cause. Driving under the influence is MUCH MORE DANGEROUS AND RECKLESS, than walking through a grocery store without a mask.

Before you get triggered, I personally wear a mask everywhere, even while mowing the lawn with no one around, not so much for me, but it makes my family feel safer.

There has been no family gatherings since before the pandemic (frankly I wish I knew before hand so I could hug my mom) and my immediate family had been following the commands and have stayed home and even get groceries delivered, again mostly so the family feels safer.

I can both follow the rules and question the almighty data....

 

[easyrowrdw]

Mrs. rowrbazzle got her shot this morning. No side effects at the moment.

It's not required at her hospital. Don't know if that will change or not. Flu shots are required.

So her arm, shoulder, and the side of her neck hurt. She was pretty tired the last couple days; some of that could be blamed on having kids, though. Back at work today and seems fine overall.

I was hoping maybe I'd get some contact immunity, but so far there's no evidence of that.

 

[DisneyCane]

So her arm, shoulder, and the side of her neck hurt. She was pretty tired the last couple days; some of that could be blamed on having kids, though. Back at work today and seems fine overall.

I was hoping maybe I'd get some contact immunity, but so far there's no evidence of that.

You should experiment with various forms of "contact!"

 

[lazyboy97o]

My point was, things happen in life that are simply unfair and it hurts just as bad no matter the alleged cause. Driving under the influence is MUCH MORE DANGEROUS AND RECKLESS, than walking through a grocery store without a mask.

Before you get triggered, I personally wear a mask everywhere, even while mowing the lawn with no one around, not so much for me, but it makes my family feel safer.

There has been no family gatherings since before the pandemic (frankly I wish I knew before hand so I could hug my mom) and my immediate family had been following the commands and have stayed home and even get groceries delivered, again mostly so the family feels safer.

I can both follow the rules and question the almighty data....

What evidence do you have to make claims that deaths are of an alleged cause? Accuse people of commit a crime is a serious accusation and one for which you should provide some evidence. Can we start accusing you of crimes since you seem okay accusing others?

You obviously have not bothered to actually research the things you keep claiming are more dangerous. Average "alleged" US deaths from impaired driving are around 10,000. Last I checked, that's a lot less than 300,000.

 

[DisneyCane]

What evidence do you have to make claims that deaths are of an alleged cause? Accuse people of commit a crime is a serious accusation and one for which you should provide some evidence. Can we start accusing you of crimes since you seem okay accusing others?

You obviously have not bothered to actually research the things you keep claiming are more dangerous. Average "alleged" US deaths from impaired driving are around 10,000. Last I checked, that's a lot less than 300,000.

I believe the point being made is that a random single person driving impaired is more dangerous to others than a random single person walking through a store without a mask.

 

[Horizons '83]

I wonder how this will be handled once the general public starts getting the vaccine at places like CVS and Walgreens? These places generally don't have a lot of room to people to hang around for 30 minutes after getting the vaccine.

I get regular allergy shots, and since covid, they ask you stay in the office for 30 minutes or go to your car. If I was getting the Covid vaccine I would most certainly do this, a minimum of 30 minutes in case of a reaction. I'd do your research and make sure that wherever you intend to get the shot, make sure they are prepared to handle any allergic reactions.

 

[GoofGoof]

I believe the point being made is that a random single person driving impaired is more dangerous to others than a random single person walking through a store without a mask.

That’s true, but so what? A random person detonating an explosive device in a crowded building is more dangerous than a random single person driving impaired so should we just make drunk driving legal because there are more dangerous things someone could do? I don’t get this mentality at all. Why are people so hell bent on downplaying Covid. It’s a deadly disease that has killed over 300K Americans in 9 months. There’s no need to compare it to anything else.

 

[Jrb1979]

That’s true, but so what? A random person detonating an explosive device in a crowded building is more dangerous than a random single person driving impaired so should we just make drunk driving legal because there are more dangerous things someone could do? I don’t get this mentality at all. Why are people so hell bent on downplaying Covid. It’s a deadly disease that has killed over 300K Americans in 9 months. There’s no need to compare it to anything else.

And of all the restrictions put in place, wearing a mask is the easiest one to follow. I've been wearing a mask since March as my job requires it and it's second nature now.

I think a lot of it is too many focus on the survival rate and only look at the economic side.

 

[GoofGoof]

And of all the restrictions put in place, wearing a mask is the easiest one to follow. I've been wearing a mask since March as my job requires it and it's second nature now

Masks have very little impact on the economy too. Stores are open now because of masks, same with factories, doctor’s offices and theme parks. If anything you could say without masks our economy would likely be in a lot worse shape.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I believe the point being made is that a random single person driving impaired is more dangerous to others than a random single person walking through a store without a mask.

He is very clearly a 6%er, now twice referring to deaths as only a guess and alleged.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What evidence do you have to make claims that deaths are of an alleged cause? Accuse people of commit a crime is a serious accusation and one for which you should provide some evidence. Can we start accusing you of crimes since you seem okay accusing others?

You obviously have not bothered to actually research the things you keep claiming are more dangerous. Average "alleged" US deaths from impaired driving are around 10,000. Last I checked, that's a lot less than 300,000.

You lost me on this reply. I did not accuse anyone of anything. I do agree with your numbers, 10k is less than 300k,

 

[hopemax]

I don’t buy it. The vaccine rollout is being handled by career CDC and military people, not Trump cronies. I doubt Trump even cares at this point. He’s busy filing lawsuits and trying to figure out a way to stay in power after losing a free and fair election.

After 4 years of loyalty, and a willingness to break traditional protocols being prized above competence, I don’t know how we can say with certainty that the career types that know what to do are the career types in the driver’s seat. The standard of the last 4 years, and COVID in particular has been about sidelining important voices. The amount of institutional knowledge and talent that has been allowed to leave or actively forced out... I don’t think we will have any idea of how deep it goes until months after the new sheriff arrives. Why shouldn’t the trickledown effects be any different regarding this, than it’s been about anything else?

I know people want and hope and need to believe the smart people are in charge of this. That doesn’t mean they actually are. The same problems we talk about with Disney. That certain things are valued over others will eventually lead to weakness and blind spots at a critical time. Without any awareness that what you need most in that moment, you eliminated because you didn’t think it was that important and anyone could deliver with the same amount of competency.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I believe the point being made is that a random single person driving impaired is more dangerous to others than a random single person walking through a store without a mask.

And if it were just one-tenth of a person hopping through a store without a mask, it would be even 10 times less risky!!

That's how you (literally) slice data to make comparisons favorable to one's point.


But even then, the one person with an infectious disease with an R-nought above one could be the cause of thousands eventually dying.

 

[hopemax]

I believe the point being made is that a random single person driving impaired is more dangerous to others than a random single person walking through a store without a mask.

A store perhaps, but 1 person showed up at the Biogen conference infected which lead to 300,000 cases, seeding the infection in multiple locales. Show me any drunk driving incident that leads to that. With a drunk driver the driver gets off the road eventually. Chain stops in its tracks. Either without incident, harming only himself, or involving a small number of vehicles. People unable to imagine the cascade of effects that could follow their singular action is a big part of why we’re in such a hole.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You lost me on this reply. I did not accuse anyone of anything. I do agree with your numbers, 10k is less than 300k,

You have repeatedly made references to the "deaths with COVID" nonsense, most recently by claiming deaths are "educated" guesses complete with the scare quote and alleged. That point you keep harping on can only be true of there is widespread fraud, a crime.

 

[sullyinMT]

After 4 years of loyalty, and a willingness to break traditional protocols being prized above competence, I don’t know how we can say with certainty that the career types that know what to do are the career types in the driver’s seat. The standard of the last 4 years, and COVID in particular has been about sidelining important voices. The amount of institutional knowledge and talent that has been allowed to leave or actively forced out... I don’t think we will have any idea of how deep it goes until months after the new sheriff arrives. Why shouldn’t the trickledown effects be any different regarding this, than it’s been about anything else?

I know people want and hope and need to believe the smart people are in charge of this. That doesn’t mean they actually are. The same problems we talk about with Disney. That certain things are valued over others will eventually lead to weakness and blind spots at a critical time. Without any awareness that what you need most in that moment, you eliminated because you didn’t think it was that important and anyone could deliver with the same amount of competency.

If all the kinks aren’t worked out on a few weeks, and people are blaming any and all hiccups on Alzheimer’s/dementia in the Oval Office, we’ll know the career types are in the drivers seat and doing their best.
But I’m with other voices of reason and of the same mentality of any of the pLaNdEmIc “theories” that coordinating that much of a retaliation effort would have caused voices from within to be way too loud. Hope I’m not wrong.

 

[GoofGoof]

After 4 years of loyalty, and a willingness to break traditional protocols being prized above competence, I don’t know how we can say with certainty that the career types that know what to do are the career types in the driver’s seat. The standard of the last 4 years, and COVID in particular has been about sidelining important voices. The amount of institutional knowledge and talent that has been allowed to leave or actively forced out... I don’t think we will have any idea of how deep it goes until months after the new sheriff arrives. Why shouldn’t the trickledown effects be any different regarding this, than it’s been about anything else?

I know people want and hope and need to believe the smart people are in charge of this. That doesn’t mean they actually are. The same problems we talk about with Disney. That certain things are valued over others will eventually lead to weakness and blind spots at a critical time. Without any awareness that what you need most in that moment, you eliminated because you didn’t think it was that important and anyone could deliver with the same amount of competency.

At the highest levels the key players are political appointees but the bulk of the heavy lifting is being done by career CDC and military staff. These are people who existed in their roles prior to the current administration and will continue after. Here’s a pretty good write-up of the Warp Speed process. The issue that occurred seemed to be around bad information in the Tiberius software used to allocate doses. When the errors were corrected the doses previously allocated to each state were reduced resulting in governors complaining. The political appointees at HHS then tried to pin the issue on Pfizer and the company rejected that allegation and said they have no manufacturing issues.

At the highest levels there is always a chance of political motivations and potential nefarious actions but the career people involved in the rollout are not political appointees and unlikely to be involved in that.

Technology, expertise help determine vaccine distribution

WASHINGTON -- Ten military officers assigned to Operation Warp Speed are embedded at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to assist the alloca...

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