Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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sullyinMT

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But I think if you have an allergic reaction, you don’t get that 2nd dose. So you’re still subject to Covid...??? So it’s actually a terrible situation.

I had an unknown allergy to a prescription drug once, which landed me in the hospital. I wouldn’t wish that experience (the quick anaphylactic reaction) on anyone. Scary. And while I AM planning on getting the vaccine, I admittedly am worried about a potential allergic reaction.
I could be wrong, but I think there was an estimation of some protection from the first dose, and probably for less time (though unconfirmed by study design, of course). So maybe it buys you a little time while more and more people get both doses and the risk of COVID hopefully goes to “exponentially less than now” levels.
 

correcaminos

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I could be wrong, but I think there was an estimation of some protection from the first dose, and probably for less time (though unconfirmed by study design, of course). So maybe it buys you a little time while more and more people get both doses and the risk of COVID hopefully goes to “exponentially less than now” levels.
I read 52% I think??? not sure how that is all figured out though.
 

GoofGoof

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But I think if you have an allergic reaction, you don’t get that 2nd dose. So you’re still subject to Covid...??? So it’s actually a terrible situation.

I had an unknown allergy to a prescription drug once, which landed me in the hospital. I wouldn’t wish that experience (the quick anaphylactic reaction) on anyone. Scary. And while I AM planning on getting the vaccine, I admittedly am worried about a potential allergic reaction.
I think it depends on the severity of the reaction. It’s possible to have a mild reaction and still get the 2nd shot. The vaccines are also shown to be somewhat effective after 1 dose. Pfizer’s was over 50% and Moderna even higher. There’s also the potential JnJ vaccine which is only 1 dose. I also don’t think there’s a higher risk of an allergic reaction to the vaccine based on having one to an unrelated drug. If one of the ingredients in the vaccine caused a previous allergic reaction then they recommend you don’t get it at all.
 

GoofGoof

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Come on, even if there was truthful, well delivered information people would still believe the conspiracy theory stuff just to prove how "enlightened" they are. Better than all the sheep.
I do worry about that. When someone is dug in and has spent the last 9 months railing on about how Covid is no big deal its hard for some to then turn around and endorse a vaccine. They view it as admitting they were wrong. I say everyone just gets a do over. If you get the shot your past actions and statements on Covid are forgiven.
 

Disney Experience

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I read 52% I think??? not sure how that is all figured out though.
It is derived from Phase 3 and the period between first and second doses in the subjects.

Dec 08, 2020
In November, Pfizer said that after two doses given 3 weeks apart, the vaccine's efficacy was 95%. But according to the FDA analysis, strong protection of about 82% occurred after the first doses and was 52% between the two doses.

On Twitter today, Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, an immunobiologist with the Yale University School of Medicine, said one striking finding was that people were protected as early as 12 to 13 days following the first dose. She added that high affinity antibodies and longer-term immunity will likely require the second dose and that all vaccines should stick to the two-dose regimen
The last comment by Iwasaki makes one wonder about J&J single dose vaccine. I know they are also working on a two dose regimen.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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Things are bad. Here in CA our daily total was 53,000 cases. Remember when it was a big deal that the whole country had a daily total of 53,000!?! I just dont know how our hospitals are going to take it, even if just 5000 of the cases reported today need hospitalization.
 

Disney Experience

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Start? They already have! Seriously it's insane what people are saying. Now I know I will find out come March for sure if I had the vaccine or not at the latest, but it's already an uphill battle. We'll see the "OMG one reaction out of how many thousands" and people will balk at getting it. We won't see enough proper thoughts on it because it won't sell in the news, let's be real.

We'll still have lies about who did this specific vaccine - I mean we see it on this very page people spreading wrong info. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need truths. But we need WHOLE truths.

Get the damn vaccine and don't whine about it. Don't 'research' it because it's been done for you. All vaccines that are new require a period of watch and see. My 13yo got the HPV vaccine and they administered it early in the appointment so that they could make sure there weren't reactions. But I want my kid protected and future partners too. It's not that hard people, come on!
I too am amazed about the amount of misinformation out there.

Then to add fuel to the mix from the NIH:
 
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Chip Chipperson

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I do worry about that. When someone is dug in and has spent the last 9 months railing on about how Covid is no big deal its hard for some to then turn around and endorse a vaccine. They view it as admitting they were wrong. I say everyone just gets a do over. If you get the shot your past actions and statements on Covid are forgiven.

I have seen some people who are in the "it's no big deal" boat also say they're getting the vaccine when they can. Hopefully there are enough people like that on the "it's no big deal" boat to get us to the number of vaccinations we need to start moving towards normal life again. Unfortunately, I also know some conspiracy nuts who think this is all a ploy to get us the evil Bill Gates vaccine that will track our movements and control our money. Those people are beyond hope.
 

Miss Bella

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I get the feeling you just like to go against the majority opinion sometimes.

I do agree wirh you though, it’s pretty early on and the whole thing seems to be rushed by President Trump, at least he’s the one taking credit for it being available so soon.
Oh no. I assure I have nothing in common with most of posters in this forum. I'm a libertarian and they are..... well liberal. There are forums where I would be with the majority it's just not here. I do like WDW and I like to travel though so maybe we have that in common. In my real life I would never discuss politics or Covid, but it seems to be where we always end up on social media these days.
 

GoofGoof

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It’s been two weeks since their lockdown. I imagine if cases are to start going down it should happen soon
Let’s hope this is the peak of the Thanksgiving bump. It’s been about 3 weeks and that’s around the timing some were expecting for a spike due to Thanksgiving gatherings. No restrictions will stop people from getting together in private and we are heading into several weeks of potential heightened gatherings.
 

Disney Experience

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The Phase 3 study did not recruit pregnant women. The research site that was my point of contact made sure that participants knew they were not to do behaviors that would lead to pregnancy. As is true in many large studies, not everyone followed that guidance:

The Pfizer clinical trials did not actively enroll pregnant women, but 23 volunteers became pregnant during the course of the trial. There have been no adverse events. Pfizer/BioNTech said it will continue to monitor those women.

 
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TrainsOfDisney

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It’s an entertainment company. You don’t have to be liberal to like a Disney movie or a Disney park. I know some hard core politics people who refuse to patronize Disney or Amazon because of political leanings but the vast majority of Americans don’t give a damn about politics.
Ok? Disney seems pretty liberal to me. Which is fine, so are most companies I purchase from (Apple, Starbucks, etc.).

Certainly all walks may come and enjoy the mouse!
 

Disney Experience

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Minor adverse reactions occurred in almost all Moderna vaccinated people in the study (Post second shot was 81.9%) from the briefing for tomorrow's meeting.
But it is not straightforward to compare it with Pfizer due to different study protocols.

Moderna:
Solicited local and systemic adverse reactions with onset within 7 days after each dose were assessed across groups and are presented in the tables below stratified by age (18 to 64 years; ≥65 years) for all participants. Solicited adverse reactions (AR) were recorded daily by study participants using eDiaries and included the assessment of local injection site reactions (pain, erythema, swelling, and lymphadenopathy) and systemic reactions (fever, headache, fatigue, myalgia, arthralgia, chills, and nausea/vomiting).

I am in the Pfizer Phase 3, and they only actively inquired about adverse reactions from the first 6000 participants. I assumed they did not need that info from the rest of us participants. But my assumption may have lowered the number in their reports.

My wife is in the Moderna Phase 3. She was instructed to enter any adverse reactions for the first seven days after each shot, which she did. I think Moderna had all participants doing that. So that may skew the adverse reaction percent higher than Pfizer because of the protocol of the study (Which was more comprehensive in this aspect).

Oh, and they had people up to age 95! Wow.
 
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