Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

Yeah, I’ll take the allergic reaction over Covid. Easy choice.

The challenge here is going to be when we reach the point of places like CVS and Walgreens providing the vaccine, will they all have the necessary medications and training to handle an allergic reaction? It may also slow down the vaccination process since you will want people to wait at the location for a bit after they have received the vaccine.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Mrs. rowrbazzle got her shot this morning. No side effects at the moment.

It's not required at her hospital. Don't know if that will change or not. Flu shots are required.

 

[Disney Experience]

US officials had to return Pfizer vaccine doses after they got too cold

Federal officials had to quarantine and return several thousand doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine in two different states after they became too cold during the transport process.Army Gen.…

thehill.com

Actually this shows that Pfizer's making sure they had temperature monitoring in their shipment containers was a good quality control choice.

 

[Jrb1979]

Limiting indoor capacity to 20% can greatly reduce COVID-19 infections, study says

Researchers say gyms, hotels, cafes, religious centers and restaurants can lead to the most infections.

amp.heraldonline.com

Interesting study. Imagine had this been implemented every where from the beginning where things would be.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Yeah, I’ll take the allergic reaction over Covid. Easy choice.

And that's one person out of thousands. I think I read in England like 3 or 4 had a reaction out of I think it was 130,000.

 

[sullyinMT]

Will all essential workers, all healthcare, teachers, police, fire, etc,, have to get the vaccine?

My employer (hospital) has been very clear that it is optional but highly encouraged. Because it is EUA for now, and not fully approved, there isn’t much precedent (if any) for requiring it right now.
I do wonder if that will change when approval comes in. Flu shot isn’t required, either, but they’ll revoke/suspend privileges of any licensed staff that doesn’t have it by a certain date.

 

[Miss Bella]

My employer (hospital) has been very clear that it is optional but highly encouraged. Because it is EUA for now, and not fully approved, there isn’t much precedent (if any) for requiring it right now.
I do wonder if that will change when approval comes in. Flu shot isn’t required, either, but they’ll revoke/suspend privileges of any licensed staff that doesn’t have it by a certain date.

Ours is neither requiring it or encouraging it. They are giving us the info, where to go and it's up to the individual. It will be interesting to see how many get it. I've asked about 40 people and so far it's about 80\20. 80% not getting it right now. Down the road if it works and is safe I'm sure that will change.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Down the road if it works and is safe I'm sure that will change.

Its been tested. It works and its safe.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[sullyinMT]

Who’s running the campaign? Straightforward and simple. The same writer(s) should be crafting the vaccination message.

 

[Miss Bella]

Its been tested. It works and its safe.

Hopefully that will turn out to be the case.

 

[GoofGoof]

Who’s running the campaign? Straightforward and simple. The same writer(s) should be crafting the vaccination message.

They need to start that up ASAP. The crazies on the other side aren’t waiting. There needs to be a straightforward, simple campaign that debunks these crazy conspiracy theories and explains the obvious benefits and why the benefits far outweigh the risks. Stuff like this is dangerous:

QAnon believers spread false claims about COVID-19 vaccine touted by Trump

The fact that President Trump, QAnon’s hero, claims credit for developing the vaccines hasn’t impeded the spread of negative rumors about them.

www.yahoo.com

This narrative that a vaccine isn’t necessary and potentially dangerous couldn’t be more far from the truth. Even if you believe the vaccine is unnecessary, if enough people don’t take it the world stays locked in this pandemic for much longer than necessary. I find it odd that many of the same people who aren’t scared of a virus are so frightened of a vaccine. It’s ultimately up to everyone to decide for themselves, but if we are talking about masks, distancing and a full blown recession this time next year it will be because enough people didn’t embrace the vaccine as our way out. Sure, there is another way out of this pandemic but it involves lock downs and more extreme measures and is still not guaranteed to work. I choose plan A. I would hope that at least the people who choose not to get the vaccine will just shut up and not try to convince others to join them. We don’t need everyone but more is better.

 

[DCBaker]

"Pharmacists have found a way to squeeze extra doses out of vials of Pfizer's vaccine, potentially expanding the nation's scarce supply by up to 40 percent.

The Food and Drug Administration said late Wednesday that those extra doses could be used, clearing up confusion that had caused some pharmacists to throw away leftover vaccine for fear of violating the rules the agency set last week.

"Given the public health emergency, FDA is advising that it is acceptable to use every full dose obtainable," an agency spokesperson told POLITICO, mirroring language that a federal health official sent to state vaccine providers Wednesday morning.

The federal government has not publicly announced the guidance; Pfizer learned of the change this afternoon.

The Pfizer vials are supposed to hold five doses, but pharmacists have found they have enough for a sixth or even a seventh dose. Putting those into use could significantly increase the United States' scarce early supply of the shot, reducing the likelihood of a "vaccine cliff" this spring as demand outpaces supply.

Manufacturers typically overfill vaccine vials to safeguard against spills and other waste, said Erin Fox, a pharmacy expert at University of Utah who monitors drug shortages. “It’s pretty unusual to have a full extra dose or more though — but it does seem to be there!” she said in an email.

But many pharmacists, left confused without federal clarity, threw away hundreds of extra doses since vaccinations began on Monday. In Utah, Fox said, pharmacists are advised to stick to the FDA emergency use guidelines, which dictate that there are five doses.

Pharmacists nationwide swiftly noticed the extra supply, prompting outreach to Pfizer itself."

FDA says Pfizer vaccine vials hold extra doses, expanding supply

Using every drop from overfilled vials could boost available doses by up to 40 percent.

www.politico.com

 

[sullyinMT]

They need to start that up ASAP. The crazies on the other side aren’t waiting. There needs to be a straightforward, simple campaign that debunks these crazy conspiracy theories and explains the obvious benefits and why the benefits far outweigh the risks. Stuff like this is dangerous:

QAnon believers spread false claims about COVID-19 vaccine touted by Trump

The fact that President Trump, QAnon’s hero, claims credit for developing the vaccines hasn’t impeded the spread of negative rumors about them.

www.yahoo.com

This narrative that a vaccine isn’t necessary and potentially dangerous couldn’t be more far from the truth. Even if you believe the vaccine is unnecessary, if enough people don’t take it the world stays locked in this pandemic for much longer than necessary. I find it odd that many of the same people who aren’t scared of a virus are so frightened of a vaccine. It’s ultimately up to everyone to decide for themselves, but if we are talking about masks, distancing and a full blown recession this time next year it will be because enough people didn’t embrace the vaccine as our way out. Sure, there is another way out of this pandemic but it involves lock downs and more extreme measures and is still not guaranteed to work. I choose plan A. I would hope that at least the people who choose not to get the vaccine will just shut up and not try to convince others to join them. We don’t need everyone but more is better.

All of this. They’re probably unmasked at Lowe’s right now because the vaccine was approved a week ago.

When it was shared here that some states have added vaccinations to their dashboards, I thought that was brilliant. Hopefully in a couple months, after 2 doses and time have taken hold for the earliest adopters, the COVID tracking project has enough of that data to show how effective even small amounts of the most vulnerable being vaccinated can be. That may motivate some to be part of the bigger solution.

I don’t know that the kooks will have much power to sway national sentiment overall, but I do know and agree with you that an early and effective campaign now (a month ago, tbh), could be massively effective in swaying some of the holdouts. Just the approval news alone and coverage of the process swayed like 15% of respondents into the “yes, ASAP” column.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Hopefully that will turn out to be the case.

I get the feeling you just like to go against the majority opinion sometimes.

I do agree wirh you though, it’s pretty early on and the whole thing seems to be rushed by President Trump, at least he’s the one taking credit for it being available so soon.

 

[GoofGoof]

All of this. They’re probably unmasked at Lowe’s right now because the vaccine was approved a week ago.

When it was shared here that some states have added vaccinations to their dashboards, I thought that was brilliant. Hopefully in a couple months, after 2 doses and time have taken hold for the earliest adopters, the COVID tracking project has enough of that data to show how effective even small amounts of the most vulnerable being vaccinated can be. That may motivate some to be part of the bigger solution.

I don’t know that the kooks will have much power to sway national sentiment overall, but I do know and agree with you that an early and effective campaign now (a month ago, tbh), could be massively effective in swaying some of the holdouts. Just the approval news alone and coverage of the process swayed like 15% of respondents into the “yes, ASAP” column.

I think they will organize a good PR campaign. My only worry is that in the absence of any viable, truthful information people will start believing this conspiracy theory stuff.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think they will organize a good PR campaign. My only worry is that in the absence of any viable, truthful information people will start believing this conspiracy theory stuff.

Will start? Its already started. You wouldn't believe how many of my friends think this is being done as part of a great reset.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Yeah, I’ll take the allergic reaction over Covid. Easy choice.

But I think if you have an allergic reaction, you don’t get that 2nd dose. So you’re still subject to Covid...??? So it’s actually a terrible situation.

I had an unknown allergy to a prescription drug once, which landed me in the hospital. I wouldn’t wish that experience (the quick anaphylactic reaction) on anyone. Scary. And while I AM planning on getting the vaccine, I admittedly am worried about a potential allergic reaction.

 

[hopemax]

I think they will organize a good PR campaign. My only worry is that in the absence of any viable, truthful information people will start believing this conspiracy theory stuff.

Come on, even if there was truthful, well delivered information people would still believe the conspiracy theory stuff just to prove how "enlightened" they are. Better than all the sheep.

 

[correcaminos]

I think they will organize a good PR campaign. My only worry is that in the absence of any viable, truthful information people will start believing this conspiracy theory stuff.

Start? They already have! Seriously it's insane what people are saying. Now I know I will find out come March for sure if I had the vaccine or not at the latest, but it's already an uphill battle. We'll see the "OMG one reaction out of how many thousands" and people will balk at getting it. We won't see enough proper thoughts on it because it won't sell in the news, let's be real.

We'll still have lies about who did this specific vaccine - I mean we see it on this very page people spreading wrong info. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need truths. But we need WHOLE truths.

Get the damn vaccine and don't whine about it. Don't 'research' it because it's been done for you. All vaccines that are new require a period of watch and see. My 13yo got the HPV vaccine and they administered it early in the appointment so that they could make sure there weren't reactions. But I want my kid protected and future partners too. It's not that hard people, come on!