Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

That’s a low bar to set unfortunately

The US death number per million did pass Sweden in this latest Fall wave here, but they are catching up again

Yep. the reason I put USA and Norway in was to compare doing mitigation different ways. Empirically, Sweden's way resulted in less cases than our way, but much, much more than their neighbor Norway. So of the three, the way Norway approached the problem resulted in better results than USA or Sweden. Norway is also a closer cultural match than the USA. But put USA in to see if the no shutdown method of Sweden is worse than our sometimes we shutdown way.

 

[JoeCamel]

The Bill Gates microchip IS the cheap knock-off.

China will provide one with built in 5G .


Of course the phone company beat us to this over fifty years ago:
Wikipedia: The President's Analyst 1967

The President's Analyst - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I want the OG WUHAN chip, what else would be the real deal? Gates is a wanna bee

 

[GoofGoof]

Yep. the reason I put USA and Norway in was to compare doing mitigation different ways. Empirically, Sweden's way resulted in less cases than our way, but much, much more than their neighbor Norway. So of the three, the way Norway approached the problem resulted in better results than USA or Sweden. Norway is also a closer cultural match than the USA. But put USA in to see if the no shutdown method of Sweden is worse than our sometimes we shutdown way.

Mitigation methods are hard to judge when a percent of the people don’t follow them because their guy told them not to. The problem in the US wasn’t the stay at home orders from March it was people’s lack of desire, will power or whatever you want to call it to follow through after those restrictions were lifted. It’s the equivalent of going on a diet, not following the diet and just eating whatever you want and then complaining that the diet plan didn’t work because you didn‘t lose any weight.

The irony is that in Sweden’s “no shutdown” method WDW still wouldn’t be open today.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

"Health Secretary Matt Hancock said at least 60 different local authorities had recorded Covid infections caused by the new variant.

He said the World Health Organization had been notified and UK scientists were doing detailed studies.

He said there was "nothing to suggest" it caused worse disease or that vaccines would no longer work.

He told MPs in the House of Commons that over the last week, there had been sharp, exponential rises in coronavirus infections across London, Kent, parts of Essex and Hertfordshire.

"We've currently identified over 1,000 cases with this variant predominantly in the South of England although cases have been identified in nearly 60 different local authority areas.

"We do not know the extent to which this is because of the new variant but no matter its cause we have to take swift and decisive action which unfortunately is absolutely essential to control this deadly disease while the vaccine is rolled out."

"England's Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty said current coronavirus swab tests would detect the new variant that has been found predominantly in Kent and neighbouring areas in recent weeks.

The changes or mutations involve the spike protein of the virus - the part that helps it infect cells, and the target Covid vaccines are designed around.

It is too soon to know exactly what this will do to the behaviour of the virus.
Prof Alan McNally, an expert at the University of Birmingham, told the BBC: "Let's not be hysterical. It doesn't mean it's more transmissible or more infectious or dangerous.

"It is something to keep an eye on.

"Huge efforts are ongoing at characterising the variant and understanding its emergence. It is important to keep a calm and rational perspective on the strain as this is normal virus evolution and we expect new variants to come and go and emerge over time."
Dr Jeremy Farrar, Director of Wellcome, said it was potentially serious. "The surveillance and research must continue and we must take the necessary steps to stay ahead of the virus."

'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England

The new strain may be growing faster in some parts of the country, Health Secretary tells MPs.

www.bbc.com

is this different from the mink variant?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I can't wait til the radio waves from our tracking devices cause all of the rides to start malfunctioning.

 

[Disney Experience]

Mitigation methods are hard to judge when a percent of the people don’t follow them because their guy told them not to. The problem in the US wasn’t the stay at home orders from March it was people’s lack of desire, will power or whatever you want to call it to follow through after those restrictions were lifted. It’s the equivalent of going on a diet, not following the diet and just eating whatever you want and then complaining that the diet plan didn’t work because you didn‘t lose any weight.

The irony is that in Sweden’s “no shutdown” method WDW still wouldn’t be open today.

I have not read the details of Sweden's original Covid response, so in my honest ignorance, how would WDW not be open if a society followed Sweden's no shutdown choice? I think though I linked an article not long ago about how Sweden was deciding to move away from the original choice given the swell in covid numbers.

 

[JoeCamel]

I can't wait til the radio waves from our tracking devices cause all of the rides to start malfunctioning.

Green Mickeys are a thing of the past

 

[DCBaker]

I have not read the details of Sweden's original Covid response, so in my honest ignorance, how would WDW not be open if a society followed Sweden's no shutdown choice? I think though I linked an article not long ago about how Sweden was deciding to move away from the original choice given the swell in covid numbers.

Amusement parks have been closed in Sweden since March - they never reopened.

 

[Disney Experience]

Amusement parks have been closed in Sweden since March - they never reopened.

Ahh. Ty for the info

 

[Disney Experience]

Amusement parks have been closed in Sweden since March - they never reopened.

So they never really had a Laissez-faire policy concerning Covid-19 mitigation.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So they never really had a Laissez-faire policy concerning Covid-19 mitigation.

They clamped down on a few things. Told everyone to do self-clamping for the majority of stuff.

They had a big fail like the tristate area in not protecting nursing homes (the thing that people rail against Cuomo and Murphy is also the sin of their darling Sweden).

Over time, self-clamping and rising illnesses hurt their economy as much as any other country that went through shut-downs.

And when the second/third wave hit, with their version of loose self-clamping and weariness of it all, they got hit with a tsunami.

And now... mandatory clamp downs in the end.

 

[GoofGoof]

So they never really had a Laissez-faire policy concerning Covid-19 mitigation.

Nah, they just didn’t close bars....it was mostly just a false narrative created by the Covid denier crowd. Sweden relied on citizens policing themselves in certain areas but still had plenty of restrictions.

 

[Disney Experience]

Nah, they just didn’t close bars....it was mostly just a false narrative created by the Covid denier crowd. Sweden relied on citizens policing themselves in certain areas but still had plenty of restrictions.

Does look like they were more strict than the US ( We were stricter if not as conpliant at times and in some jurisdictions)

Looks like they legally banned gathering greater than 50 people throughout the covid19 pandemic.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200622/swedens-theme-parks-denied-exception-to-coronavirus-rules

 

[LittleBuford]

To be fair to the opposition, Labour Party, they have, until recently mostly supported Boris Johnson but now seem to want to score political points whilst not clearly stating what they would have done/ would do differently.

Sorry, but the bolded isn't true.

Covid-19: Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer calls for circuit breaker

Sir Keir Starmer says the government has lost control of coronavirus, as daily deaths rise to 143.

www.bbc.com

 

[LittleBuford]

Well, I meant the UK's perspective of how their own government has handled the pandemic in their country.

It's been a mixed bag with far too many missteps, including: the initial flirtation with herd immunity; the hypocritical mishandling of the Dominic Cummings affair,* which did much to dent public confidence; the reckless insistence on reopening universities with in-person teaching; and the failure, in the face of scientific advice, to implement a short "circuit-breaker" lockdown in September (leading to a longer lockdown subsequently).

* He was, until recently, Boris Johnson's chief adviser. He broke the rules at the height of the first lockdown, offered the most preposterous of excuses when caught out (including the claim that he drove 60 miles to test his eyesight), and faced no consequences for his actions, despite the public outcry.

 

[Kevin_W]

Norway is also a closer cultural match than the USA. But put USA in to see if the no shutdown method of Sweden is worse than our sometimes we shutdown way.

I have not been to Sweden, but have visited Norway and Finland. I wouldn't say that Norway is a particularly close cultural match for the USA.

When you add the larger European countries to that graph, you see in # of cases Sweden is about the same in cases per 1000 as UK, Italy, France and slightly better in deaths. India is actually about the closest country to Norway in terms of cases and deaths per 1000. That's all very puzzling as those two countries share very little similarities in climate, population density, medical care, etc. It's all (morbidly) fascinating and I'm sure people will be studying this for decades.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yep. the reason I put USA and Norway in was to compare doing mitigation different ways. Empirically, Sweden's way resulted in less cases than our way, but much, much more than their neighbor Norway. So of the three, the way Norway approached the problem resulted in better results than USA or Sweden. Norway is also a closer cultural match than the USA. But put USA in to see if the no shutdown method of Sweden is worse than our sometimes we shutdown way.

Have you been to Norway? Very little about that country reminds me of the US at all.

 

[DCBaker]

"The Food and Drug Administration released a detailed analysis Tuesday morning of the COVID-19 vaccine from drugmaker Moderna that supports the authorization of the company's vaccine for emergency use.

The FDA's briefing document along with one from Moderna were posted two days before a group of experts will convene to advise the agency on whether to grant the vaccine emergency authorization for use, or EUA, during the pandemic.

The agency's analysis finds the vaccine has a "favorable safety profile" and that there are "no specific safety concerns identified that would preclude issuance of an EUA." Serious reactions were rare. Side effects are common, however, with a majority of study volunteers experiencing pain at the site of injection, fatigue and headaches.

The analysis also affirms the effectiveness of the vaccine. It is 95% overall, assessed at least two weeks after the second dose of vaccine. The vaccine shots are given 28 days apart.

The vaccine is less effective in older people, the FDA analysis finds. For people ages 18 to less than 65, the effectiveness is 96%, compared with 86% for people 65 and older."

FDA Analysis Of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Finds It Effective And Safe

Two days before a panel of experts is set to review Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine and advise the Food and Drug Administration, documents show the vaccine is 94% effective and well-tolerated.

www.npr.org

Here is a link to the briefing document -

https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have not been to Sweden, but have visited Norway and Finland. I wouldn't say that Norway is a particularly close cultural match for the USA.

Have you been to Norway? Very little about that country reminds me of the US at all.

Than, not to. Norway is a closer cultural match [to Sweden] than the USA, not Norway is a closer cultural match to the USA.

 

[Disstevefan1]

But Florida didn’t need the vaccine...remember when Ron and creepy pence stood there and told everyone how they weren’t stupid like New York?

I guess the “silly” can have the vaccine...Ron can have the bleach

You have the House, you won the White House and will win the Senate and still must make these remarks. Not a good winner.