Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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In august he said it would be September.. in September he said in a few weeks, October the latest.. in October he said this is all fake news, it will be announced the day after election and the vaccine would be available.. after the election he started his talk of a rigged election for over a month with no talk about the vaccine until he saw it was ready to be approved, now calling it the trump vaccine. Please don’t pick and choose one thing he said and conveniently forget the rest.
As for Warp Speed, there are many bugs with the process as said in this article. I realize this is new stuff and it’s going to take time but it’s another thing our leader has exaggerated on and flat out lied.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/05/operation-warp-speed-coronavirus-vaccine-shortfall/%3foutputType=amp

The vaccine was invented in January, before the first case in the US. Trump kept telling everyone to work faster on getting approval. What we really need is a faster testing and approval process. Trump pushed the limits to the breaking point but look at the number of people who died. Even Bill Gates says there has to be a way to approve vaccines faster because we were lucky the death rate on Covid19 is low. Imagine what could happed in the future if we have an easily spread virus with a high death. We can't wait a year to use a vaccine on these new viruses. Something has to be done or next time we will lose tens of million not hunreds of thousands. Give Trump credit but say we still need to do more.

 

[DCBaker]

The site that shan’t be named is reporting that Disney is now digitally adding masks on ride photos if guests aren’t wearing them.

"A Disney spokesperson confirmed to The Washington Post on Friday that Disney World tested adding digital masks to riders’ PhotoPass images where masks had shifted mid-ride. The trial aimed to allow those riders to be able to purchase a ride photo that would not depict them as unmasked, and in a violation of park rules.

But after photos circulated on Disney blogs and social media, the park ended the trial."

“In response to guest requests, we tested modifying some ride photos,” a Disney World spokesperson said in an email. “We are no longer doing this and continue to expect guests to wear face coverings except when actively eating or drinking while stationary.”

"The park spokesperson said the rule that unmasked riders will not be able to buy their PhotoPass remains in place."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/12/11/disney-world-masks-digital-covid/

 

[drizgirl]

If someone says something here that is blatantly false, it’s not up to just me to point it out. We should all be about facts, nothing else especially during a pandemic. I did not start the political talk, your post is misplaced and should have been sent to the other poster.

Or maybe conditions changed. It's been a very fluid situation.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The vaccine was invented in January, before the first case in the US. Trump kept telling everyone to work faster on getting approval. What we really need is a faster testing and approval process. Trump pushed the limits to the breaking point but look at the number of people who died. Even Bill Gates says there has to be a way to approve vaccines faster because we were lucky the death rate on Covid19 is low. Imagine what could happed in the future if we have an easily spread virus with a high death. We can't wait a year to use a vaccine on these new viruses. Something has to be done or next time we will lose tens of million not hunreds of thousands. Give Trump credit but say we still need to do more.

The vaccine still needs adequate testing. Just inventing it is only the very first step.

If there is any upside to a raging, mismanaged pandemic, it means that if you are testing a vaccine or treatment, you can accumulate test cases much quicker. But you still need enough cases to test for statistical significance, both for efficacy and side effects, and time afterwards to monitor for both. No matter how much you rush the other steps, you can't generate cases out of thin air or compress time (other than some relativistic physics...).

It is a modern miracle that we have the Pfizer vaccine so quickly, but unless this disease was even more virulent, there was no way we could have sped up adequate testing faster than we already did.

 

[Kevin_W]

If there is any upside to a raging, mismanaged pandemic, it means that if you are testing a vaccine or treatment, you can accumulate test cases much quicker. But you still need enough cases to test for statistical significance, both for efficacy and side effects, and time afterwards to monitor for both. No matter how much you rush the other steps, you can't generate cases out of thin air or compress time (other than some relativistic physics...).

Right. Remember back in Early Summer when Oxford was concerned that cases had dropped low enough that it woudl be tough to get enough cases in their study for statistical significance? We fixed that for them. :/

 

[Heppenheimer]

Right. Remember back in Early Summer when Oxford was concerned that cases had dropped low enough that it woudl be tough to get enough cases in their study for statistical significance? We fixed that for them. :/

This is also why the Lyme disease vaccine took so long to test. And without looking it up, I believe the manufacturer withdrew it from the market because there wasn't enough demand.

 

[Chi84]

"A Disney spokesperson confirmed to The Washington Post on Friday that Disney World tested adding digital masks to riders’ PhotoPass images where masks had shifted mid-ride. The trial aimed to allow those riders to be able to purchase a ride photo that would not depict them as unmasked, and in a violation of park rules.

But after photos circulated on Disney blogs and social media, the park ended the trial."

“In response to guest requests, we tested modifying some ride photos,” a Disney World spokesperson said in an email. “We are no longer doing this and continue to expect guests to wear face coverings except when actively eating or drinking while stationary.”

"The park spokesperson said the rule that unmasked riders will not be able to buy their PhotoPass remains in place."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/12/11/disney-world-masks-digital-covid/

Silly idea in the first place and wouldn't have been needed all that long anyway.

 

[Patcheslee]

When do we reach the point where the testing cannot keep up with the new cases, or have we already reached that point?

We've been way past that. Still at 7 day return times for us. Health Department said Indiana labs can't keep up with tests sent in.

 

[GoofGoof]

Donald Trump is yesterday’s news. The election is over and in about 40 days he can go back to the golf course and spend all day tweeting (actually not a big change for him anyway). We have to move on as a country and focus on the future. The vaccine is coming and it will get us out of this pandemic and can get us back to life as normal. I could give a rat’s behind who gets credit for it. It’s not relevant in any way to me. I do know this, in the last Gallup pole only 50% of Republicans said they would get the vaccine. That’s not good. If giving Donald Trump credit for the vaccine gets that number higher I’m all for it. I don’t care that the Pfizer vaccine was actually developed in Germany by a German bio tech company founded by 3 German billionaires with research funded by the German government. Call it the Trump vaccine and give him all the credit for inventing it if that gets that number up from 50%. We have to stop having this debate if it’s going to cause people to dig in and not get vaccinated. If that happens and we don’t get to herd immunity or delay the time it takes to get there that’s a terrible outcome for everyone. So I say just give Trump the credit now and get me back to life as normal.

 

[DisneyCane]

Donald Trump is yesterday’s news. The election is over and in about 40 days he can go back to the golf course and spend all day tweeting (actually not a big change for him anyway). We have to move on as a country and focus on the future. The vaccine is coming and it will get us out of this pandemic and can get us back to life as normal. I could give a rat’s behind who gets credit for it. It’s not relevant in any way to me. I do know this, in the last Gallup pole only 50% of Republicans said they would get the vaccine. That’s not good. If giving Donald Trump credit for the vaccine gets that number higher I’m all for it. I don’t care that the Pfizer vaccine was actually developed in Germany by a German bio tech company founded by 3 German billionaires with research funded by the German government. Call it the Trump vaccine and give him all the credit for inventing it if that gets that number up from 50%. We have to stop having this debate if it’s going to cause people to dig in and not get vaccinated. If that happens and we don’t get to herd immunity or delay the time it takes to get there that’s a terrible outcome for everyone. So I say just give Trump the credit now and get me back to life as normal.

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

 

[Disney Experience]

The vaccine still needs adequate testing. Just inventing it is only the very first step.

If there is any upside to a raging, mismanaged pandemic, it means that if you are testing a vaccine or treatment, you can accumulate test cases much quicker. But you still need enough cases to test for statistical significance, both for efficacy and side effects, and time afterwards to monitor for both. No matter how much you rush the other steps, you can't generate cases out of thin air or compress time (other than some relativistic physics...).

It is a modern miracle that we have the Pfizer vaccine so quickly, but unless this disease was even more virulent, there was no way we could have sped up adequate testing faster than we already did.

There are ways but with additional risk. In my opinion, the additional risk would not have been warranted.

mrna is now proven as an effective tool. In future the platform can be repurposed with high confidence.

ways it can be done faster in future if risk is warrented:
Challenge studies
Vaccination in mass without adequate trials.

Both are unreasonable for covid, the later would be done perhaps if we had an widespread airborne or vectored disease with 90% kill rate. There is no such thing in the wild. But if there was, the risk of the disease may out weigh the risk of an unproven vaccine. In that case the turn around from sequencing to a potential vaccine may be real quick. Then the long pole would be production.

But for covid vaccine the time from sequencing to a phase 3. tested and eua approved vaccine is worth celebrating.

 

[Disney Experience]

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

One minor glitch for some of us is that we are in the phase 3 study. Unless we opt out of the study we will not have proof of vaccination. (But can likely determine on our own whether we got vaccinated).

 

[Chi84]

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

I agree, and I hope Disney is in the lead on this. I think there are going to be a lot of people who are shocked that there is a difference between the government and private businesses when it comes to this type of requirement.

 

[DisneyCane]

One minor glitch for some of us is that we are in the phase 3 study. Unless we opt out of the study we will not have proof of vaccination. (But can likely determine on our own whether we got vaccinated).

I don't think these requirements should be put into place until the vaccine is available to all who want it. The phase 3 study should be complete by then, correct?

 

[Jrb1979]

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2020/12/8/1_5222009.html.

In Ontario its not mandatory to get the vaccine but travel and some public places may have restrictions if you aren't vaccinated.

 

[GoofGoof]

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

I would hope it doesn’t need to get to that point. Private businesses won’t be able to implement something like that until likely Fall at the earliest. It would be very disappointing if we have to wait until end of 2021 to reach herd immunity. If that’s the case, so be it, but I’m more optimistic that people come around sooner than that. I would be fine with tying a stimulus check to vaccination, but there doesn’t appear to be an appetite for even approving a check let alone tying it to anything. I haven’t seen it suggested anywhere that the vaccine would be mandated except possibly for healthcare workers and eventually school kids.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I believe the best way to get the percentage up who will get vaccinated is for private businesses (like WDW, concerts, sporting events, etc.) to require proof of vaccination for entry. It needs to be something voluntary that people get a benefit for. That, and tying vaccination to a stimulus check (which was suggested by another poster).

Mandates will not work. If mandated, there will be a segment of people who refuse because of the person who mandated it. I don't think the actual number will be as high as the polls suggest. I think a lot of people will feel comfortable after a few million have been vaccinated with no issues.

Posted this about 25 pages back. Seems to be catching on with venues for concerts.. few football stadiums and Some NYC businesses already on board for when it gets to that point. Heard a few security concerns from some but hopefully they can work those out. Would be a ideal way to do it.

 

[danlb_2000]

The vaccinations will reduce the number of cases. At first that will mean the death rate will go up. Remember the number of deaths today has nothing to do with today's new infections, but prior infections. Thanks to Operation Warp speed we have an approved vaccine and delivery system setup. All we need is to let the system rum and in 4 months we will be fine with over 70% of the population vaccinated or with natural antibodies. Who coupld have predicted this tremendous advancement in science, of yes Donald Trump kept saying we would have the vaccine be the end of the year.

I think 4 months is overly optimistic. Even if everything went right we are not likely to be able to have enough people vaccinated in 4 months to get back to normal, and you can be sure not everything will go right.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think 4 months is overly optimistic. Even if everything went right we are not likely to be able to have enough people vaccinated in 4 months to get back to normal, and you can be sure not everything will go right.

Based on the vaccine rollout schedules our first 200M doses are expected to be delivered by Pfizer and Moderna by the end of Q1 with 100M more doses coming in Q2 from Moderna. So by the end of March the best case scenario right now is 100M people vaccinated. A great start but nowhere near herd immunity. Now if JnJ and AstraZeneca got approved in January that Q1 number could increase but they won’t get full approval until May at the earliest. It’s very likely that if one or more additional vaccines is approved and children get approval too we can reach the target of every American who wants a vaccine getting it by June. April is overly optimistic. June is doable. How long after that is the “return to normal”? Who knows, but I’m hoping if we get enough people vaccinated it’s not long after.

 

[Chi84]

I think 4 months is overly optimistic. Even if everything went right we are not likely to be able to have enough people vaccinated in 4 months to get back to normal, and you can be sure not everything will go right.

@rowrbazzle Sadly, our president-elect is betting otherwise with his 100-days from inauguration mask request.