Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[SamusAranX]

Which is why we need another stimulus.

It won't happen unfortunately. And apparently the new stimulus is foregoing cash payouts. The paycheck protection program that would be "replenished" is meant for small business, no?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

True, but studies have shown it takes a few minutes of maskless interactions to actually spread indoors, not a quick second of taking your mask off and back on.

On planes everyone takes it off at the exact same time frame (during service) and they are allowed to keep it off for that entire timeframe. That could be 30 minutes of 100 maskless people. And that's in economy. First class service is full dining.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

True, but studies have shown it takes a few minutes of maskless interactions to actually spread indoors, not a quick second of taking your mask off and back on.

You seem to only trust studies that justify going against current cdc recommendations.

If you think the cdc is lying, and that the governments of California, France, and Hong Kong are wrong just say it.

 

[SamusAranX]

It’s the departing airport, the arrival airport.. it’s the transportation to the hotel.. it’s the thousands of people in the parks, restaurants and merch shops.. it’s the bus back to departing airport, then the arrival airport. You can say show me where a case can be linked to Disney, well that is tough to do. But to think with the virus spreading like wildfire, that all this unnecessary travel is ok I think you would be wrong. If almost one in 10 or 15 or 20.. for that matter let’s say one in a hundred has the virus, it’s there. Can’t be linked maybe but it’s all around.

I think if ALL precautions are taken, depending on WHERE and WHO you see, and the person assumes fiscal responsibility for testing before and/or after, travel for leisure isn't inherently always wrong right now. But I have already hashed that out earlier in this thread....

 

[SamusAranX]

You seem to only trust studies that justify going against current cdc recommendations.

If you think the cdc is lying, and that the governments of California, France, and Hong Kong are wrong just say it.

I never said they were "lying"; my point is that if the government wishes to close a business, they need to provide solid medical studies and evidence to say "hey, transmission is being traced back to you. we're sorry, but can you close and/or change the way you operate?". I.e., hundreds of studies have shown massive risk in indoor dining, so it is justifiable to close indoor dining. Many studies have shown bars to be hotspots. Closing bars is perfectly acceptable.

 

[SamusAranX]

On planes everyone takes it off at the exact same time frame (during service) and they are allowed to keep it off for that entire timeframe. That could be 30 minutes of 100 maskless people. And that's in economy. First class service is full dining.

Again, your assertion makes sense, but we have yet to see a large amount of "spreader" events from a flights, and that is probably due to airlines pulling out all the stops to minimze the risk. If it makes you feel better, when I fly in Jan 2021, I will not be eating on the plane. but that's my personal choice. Pigging out before hand lol.

 

[jlhwdw]

On planes everyone takes it off at the exact same time frame (during service) and they are allowed to keep it off for that entire timeframe. That could be 30 minutes of 100 maskless people. And that's in economy. First class service is full dining.

Planes are not doing service right now. There is no food or even drink service on nearly all flights. This notion of 100 people taking their masks off for 30 minutes on a plane is 1) not happening and 2) goes into the incessant fear mongering all of your posts have. You predict WDW will close again "for the winter months" even though the parks have been open safely since July and we're all but already into "the winter months". The pandemic is awful and the response of the United States is even worse. But if done safely and following requirements, activities like a theme park and even flying are relatively safe. And airlines and theme park operators are making sure compliance is strict.

 

[GoofGoof]

I was just using TMD as an example of how much comparatively Disney is pouring into 50 plus new productions announced yesterday. For the shows, the per episode cost may not be the exact same, but that just shows how postponing or leaving one of those productions in development, just *one* could help these employees.

Disney's cash flow without the parks isn't great, but they will make it. The people who buy shares in Disney will make it (the 1 percent has gotten even richer during this pandemic). These 28000 employees may not. Central Florida is flirting with what will be probably a worse recession then what the nation is bracing for post-COVID

It’s not that simple. The new shows don’t all have costs today. At one point there were 100,000 Disney employees furloughed. If they paid them all for a full year and they averaged a salary of $30,000 that’s $3B in expense. I don’t know what percent of those employees are back now, but even if it’s half that’s still $1.5B to pay them all. That would mean at $15M an episode cutting 100 episodes of shows or roughly 10 full series of current expense. That’s going to cripple Disney+ and make it less competitive. Long term the impact to TWDC would be terrible. My stock price impact comment has nothing to do with the 1% getting richer, if TWDC loses some of the value of Disney+ due to cuts in production the stock price suffers which will trigger further belt tightening across the company and potentially more layoffs.

Right now Disney+ is propping up the other divisions so it’s not a great idea to kill the golden goose. In 6 months once the parks swing back into positive territory they will start contributing profits to the bottom line again. For now they are holding on. If anything I would say TWDC would be better off drawing down on their credit facilities and taking on more temporary debt over cutting costs at the Disney+ division.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Planes are not doing service right now. There is no food or even drink service on nearly all flights. This notion of 100 people taking their masks off for 30 minutes on a plane is 1) not happening and 2) goes into the incessant fear mongering all of your posts have. You predict WDW will close again "for the winter months" even though the parks have been open safely since July and we're all but already into "the winter months". The pandemic is awful and the response of the United States is even worse. But if done safely and following requirements, activities like a theme park and even flying are relatively safe. And airlines and theme park operators are making sure compliance is strict.

Yes they are. I know this because I was an FA for a bit for one of the big 3 out of college and I still have friends there.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Again, your assertion makes sense, but we have yet to see a large amount of "spreader" events from a flights, and that is probably due to airlines pulling out all the stops to minimze the risk. If it makes you feel better, when I fly in Jan 2021, I will not be eating on the plane. but that's my personal choice. Pigging out before hand lol.

I was an FA for one of the big 3 out of college and I know of tons of FA's who got sick in-flight. I just dont believe the airline funded research is reliable.

 

[GoofGoof]

If Disney is so intent on doubling down on production and streaming, they should have moved production on some of these announced shows to Orlando and given displaced parks tech and talent a preferred shot at crewing them up. Put furloughed F&B cast to work on craft services. Opened up a few hotel wings to support productions and house people.

Yes, I know ‘theme park’ people aren’t ‘Hollywood’ people, but there’s a fair amount of crossover in the skill sets.

They wouldn’t even have to move all the productions, they have a bunch of out of work CMs right in CA.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I think if ALL precautions are taken, depending on WHERE and WHO you see, and the person assumes fiscal responsibility for testing before and/or after, travel for leisure isn't inherently always wrong right now. But I have already hashed that out earlier in this thread....

The CDC disagrees with you. You can believe anything you like but can’t say “ it isn’t inherently always wrong” because most experts do not believe that. The less non essential travel we do is best.

 

[jlhwdw]

Yes they are. I know this because I was an FA for a bit for one of the big 3 out of college and I still have friends there.

I have flown on four separate airlines since March. None offered food. One of the four offered water only. But no drink cart or "service"

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I have flown on four separate airlines since March. None offered food. One of the four offered water only. But no drink cart or "service"

Have you flown since September? Service started to reboot right before the furloughs kicked in.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

The CDC disagrees with you. You can believe anything you like but can’t say “ it isn’t inherently always wrong” because most experts do not believe that. The less non essential travel we do is best.

In CA hotels are not allowed to make bookings for leisure.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Planes are not doing service right now. There is no food or even drink service on nearly all flights. This notion of 100 people taking their masks off for 30 minutes on a plane is 1) not happening and 2) goes into the incessant fear mongering all of your posts have. You predict WDW will close again "for the winter months" even though the parks have been open safely since July and we're all but already into "the winter months". The pandemic is awful and the response of the United States is even worse. But if done safely and following requirements, activities like a theme park and even flying are relatively safe. And airlines and theme park operators are making sure compliance is strict.

Winters ends in March. And we're hardly into the winter... FYI, December 21st.

 

[SamusAranX]

The CDC disagrees with you. You can believe anything you like but can’t say “ it isn’t inherently always wrong” because most experts do not believe that. The less non essential travel we do is best.

Again, it depends to me on the circumstances.

If I was flying to see my friends in Virginia, stayed in a hotel, went to bars, etc. yeah, that kind of travel is nonsensical and dangerous IMO

But I am flying in January to go to mountains and national parks. There will be no hotel stay, indoor dining, bars and so on. The only indoors will be a grocery store run; I am wearing a mask in all public settings. And getting tested and quarantining upon coming home. I also live alone, and will not be visiting any one before or after the trip. At the airports I will be social distancing, and wearing a mask as well. My suitcase will be wiped down the moment I get it home. huge world of difference my friend.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Have you flown since September? Service started to reboot right before the furloughs kicked in.

Found this from October 29th. Not sure what has changed since.

Here’s what food and drinks the major US airlines are currently serving - The Points Guy

In-flight service is back. Here's what to expect on your next flight.

www.google.com

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Again, it depends to me on the circumstances.

If I was flying to see my friends in Virginia, stayed in a hotel, went to bars, etc. yeah, that kind of travel is nonsensical and dangerous IMO

But I am flying in January to go to mountains and national parks. There will be no hotel stay, indoor dining, bars and so on. The only indoors will be a grocery store run; I am wearing a mask in all public settings. And getting tested and quarantining upon coming home. I also live alone, and will not be visiting any one before or after the trip. At the airports I will be social distancing, and wearing a mask as well. My suitcase will be wiped down the moment I get it home. huge world of difference my friend.

Not saying what works for you or your circumstances. Of course what you explained sounds good in theory and works for YOU. But the CDC still doesn’t agree. I’ll stick with what they say.. for me that is.

 

[SamusAranX]

Planes are not doing service right now. There is no food or even drink service on nearly all flights. This notion of 100 people taking their masks off for 30 minutes on a plane is 1) not happening and 2) goes into the incessant fear mongering all of your posts have. You predict WDW will close again "for the winter months" even though the parks have been open safely since July and we're all but already into "the winter months". The pandemic is awful and the response of the United States is even worse. But if done safely and following requirements, activities like a theme park and even flying are relatively safe. And airlines and theme park operators are making sure compliance is strict.

Only if the flight is less then 3 or 4 hours I believe. Anything longer they still do services