Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

So... Pfizer, Moderna. Right? How about j&j for the rest of us.
April 1, parks back to normal.

This is my highly educated contribution

Probably will be after that to get to "normal". My guess given my estimated timelines below:
Pfizer EUA - Tomorrow or soon thereafter.
Moderna EUA - A week or two later
J&J EUA (Assuming good phase 3 of there 60000 subjects)- Feb

Pfizer Full Authorization - End of March or April
Moderna Full Authorization- April
J&J Full -June

Then add 4 to 5 weeks to vaccine 1st injection to max effectiveness.

Then decide do you wait for normal when herd immunity is empirically apparent or sooner?

So the first vaccine out with 20 million doses /month for USA is Pfizer. The FIRST wave general pop will not be past the two shot sequence before May. While first wave of EUA will be late Jan.

Moderna quantity is likely equivalent to Pfizer. J&J should be able to crank out greater quantity...but full use Authorization of them may be summer.

 

[Chi84]

I don't think valuing a college education is wrong, but if your going to go into debt for it it should be worth it.

The cost wasn’t that much of an issue when I was in school. It’s different now.

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

The cost wasn’t that much of an issue when I was in school. It’s different now.

I have 3 kiddos, a HS Junior, HS Freshman, and JR High 7th grade. I had dreams of one of them maybe attending the college I went to, so I looked up what the going rate was compared to when I graduated in '99. HOLY. CRAP. It costs as much or more now for one year as I paid for 4!

 

[TrojanUSC]

Ridiculous...time to float over to some threads asking about when parades/fireworks will be back...to get “grounded”

Might I suggest the Disneyland board? They'll tell you it's nothing to worry about and one of them will speak to you in the most condescending tone ever in doing so. If you're lucky you might even get a story about the neighbor lady.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Might I suggest the Disneyland board? They'll tell you it's nothing to worry about and one of them will speak to you in the most condescending tone ever in doing so. If you're lucky you might even get a story about the neighbor lady.

Yay!! Goodie!!!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

‘Merica!!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have 3 kiddos, a HS Junior, HS Freshman, and JR High 7th grade. I had dreams of one of them maybe attending the college I went to, so I looked up what the going rate was compared to when I graduated in '99. HOLY. CRAP. It costs as much or more now for one year as I paid for 4!

I’m of your general vintage...and ain’t it a now?

It was a glorified diploma factory I wouldn’t have paid a penny more for THEN

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have a career that requires a degree at least an associates, but now they want a bachelors. It is much more skill based. On the job training experience, and critical thinking is everything. Nurses are starting their career 80k plus in debt most of which has nothing to do with the job. I just think there has to be a better way.

There is....free education for all.

But I dont think this a discussion for here so we won't get into it.

I was gonna say:

Ensure a more equitable distribution of wealth and take the profit motive out of essential things like health, education and community infrastructure...

Any of you Gippers out there want to sign up for that??

...no?

 

[hopemax]

Plus, a generation of starving government, austerity due to the financial crisis and so States cutting funding for higher education because they can’t cut K-12. The burden of tuition has shifted to the individual. And we’re gonna do it again after COVID. Just another reckoning we are facing.

 

[JoeCamel]

So... Pfizer, Moderna. Right? How about j&j for the rest of us.
April 1, parks back to normal.

This is my highly educated contribution

Little early to be cracking wise with the April Fools

 

[Patcheslee]

Far as the whole education goes. Parents could only afford to send 1 of us 3 kids to college, so little brother was the only one with a chance at help. I attempted enlisting to cover tuition (physical failed ASVAB 98 ) because I wanted to do engineering and work in the space program anyway. Went through couple factory jobs that seemed mind numbing. Finally got to my current factory job and after about 5 years started college courses with their tuition assistance - any college program that could be applied to work is allowed, I've taken 12 courses for engineering and could go all the way to degree, but that wouldn't increase my pay. And honestly the hours I've missed with my family doesn't help. The hands on work has always been easier for me to grasp than textbook learning. IMO middle and high schools spent too long asking kids what college they want to attend vs what do you want to do. Heck my high school was 2 groups: the ones with college plans took 1 set of classes and counselors help them find scholarships or loans, the rest of us took a different set of classes- we even had the bonus of a field trip to "teach us what is in store" if we didn't attend college- also known as a trip to the factories in town . They didn’t tell kids there are multiple paths if they want to go to college but can't afford it.

 

[Lilofan]

I have 3 kiddos, a HS Junior, HS Freshman, and JR High 7th grade. I had dreams of one of them maybe attending the college I went to, so I looked up what the going rate was compared to when I graduated in '99. HOLY. CRAP. It costs as much or more now for one year as I paid for 4!

One option is ROTC, go to college for free , pray that no war happens during kid's service to the country.

 

[Seanual757]

So... Pfizer, Moderna. Right? How about j&j for the rest of us.
April 1, parks back to normal.

This is my highly educated contribution

Summer at the very earliest but I really think the fall to winter. I think companies are going to struggle to get enough vaccine produced to give it to everyone. it's not only us but the rest of the world and from what I have read we have have not purchased enough also GSK announced overnight that they are not happy with the results of the vaccine they are producing so back to the drawing board for them. The US purchased 100 millions doses of that vaccine from them.....

I just think we are hoping for too much too fast and it's going to take time...

I really think it will be summer if we are lucky to see capacity at 100% allowed but I have a feeling that will slip into the fall...

 

[MrHappy]

Little early to be cracking wise with the April Fools

The April 1 was not intentionally a joke about April Fools. But I do think by April 1, 200 million people could be vaccinated. That’s a heck of a dent and possibly heard. When I say parks will be normal, I should’ve added what I think that means. Still masks...always masks probably through 2021. I think distanced indoor queues still, maybe 3ft outside. But operationally, the theater shows, the TTC to EPCOT monorail, the rest of the sit down restaurants will be back. Some form of fireworks and night shows.

 

[GoofGoof]

The April 1 was not intentionally a joke about April Fools. But I do think by April 1, 200 million people could be vaccinated. That’s a heck of a dent and possibly heard. When I say parks will be normal, I should’ve added what I think that means. Still masks...always masks probably through 2021. I think distanced indoor queues still, maybe 3ft outside. But operationally, the theater shows, the TTC to EPCOT monorail, the rest of the sit down restaurants will be back. Some form of fireworks and night shows.

I think that sounds reasonable, but my gut says that the timing is more like after Memorial Day vs April 1. I know Disney would love to get a true Spring Break in with Easter in early April, but I’m not sure we will be there yet with the vaccine. I agree that the restrictions are likely to be pulled back gradually. The big trigger for Disney parks is increasing ride capacity and to a lesser extent restaurant capacity. If they can decrease or remove distancing on rides and add in shows and entertainment that’s on hold now due to distancing that allows them to ramp up park capacity and ultimately ramp up revenues. Once that happens the more expensive entertainment like fireworks and night shows should be back as well as reopening the rest of the resorts. Once crowds are back they need to loosen the distancing in restaurants or it’s going to be hard to eat there. It’s also possible they add temporary dining locations or overflow seating to address that.

 

[carolina_yankee]

That is a matter of opinion. It's not that valuable if it doesn't pay the bills.

Many things are valuable that don't pay the bills. Kids are valuable but they create a lot of bills. Life isn't reduced to the dollar sign, and it's not an either/or proposition. One could argue that Disney would be a far more powerful creator of original content if they put some effort into bringing people in with a classical liberal arts background instead of focusing on MBA and marketing. But they're rich, have plenty of money to get through the pandemic by laying off tens of thousands, and are building a streaming power-house on other people's creative output, so, hey, what does it matter?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Last I checked Puerto Rico is a part of the US. Almost the same number died in PR alone during the hurricane Maria as did from Covid in one day. Both should be seen as catastrophes

I may have gotten in wrong, but the the quick reference I found noted that more than half the deaths were outside of Puerto Rico, which was the only part of the US hit.

Either way, COVID-19 is now on a daily basis killing more people US citizens than the worst modern hurricanes. This was a response to a specific poster who claimed that hurricanes are more deadly... or worse, or something like that.

 

[GoofGoof]

Many things are valuable that don't pay the bills. Kids are valuable but they create a lot of bills. Life isn't reduced to the dollar sign, and it's not an either/or proposition. One could argue that Disney would be a far more powerful creator of original content if they put some effort into bringing people in with a classical liberal arts background instead of focusing on MBA and marketing. But they're rich, have plenty of money to get through the pandemic by laying off tens of thousands, and are building a streaming power-house on other people's creative output, so, hey, what does it matter?

I think in some cases kids go to college just to get a degree and a better job. They skate by without learning a whole lot so for them maybe it really is just a means to an end. If that’s someone else’s experience that’s fine, but like so many other discussions it’s a very narrow view of the world to assume that everyone had the same experience as you.

For many kids college is a life altering, learning process which is more valuable than just the increase in pay they may have when they get out. The classroom learning is important, but it’s also the relationships developed, the networking with peers who could have a big impact on your future and it’s a time when people continue to develop their life viewpoints. Again, not everyone who goes to college will experience this and you certainly don’t need to go to college to experience it either. It can be a similar transformative experience to enlisting in the military or moving to a new city to pursue a career.

 

[Heppenheimer]

One option is ROTC, go to college for free , pray that no war happens during kid's service to the country.

I went that route (and the HPSP scholarship for med school). Financially, it put me way ahead of my peers because I graduated with zero debt and was earning decent salaries right after graduation with free health care. There are pluses and minuses, but it isn't a life that everyone is cut out for.

This may be a controversial statement, but if you're not in a combat arms branch, going to war really isn't that bad an experience. More boring than anything else, for the most part.

Back on topic, I should learn more about our state's plan to roll out the Pfizer vaccine today. I may get my first jab as early as next week.