Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Then how do you explain the places with mask mandates and the population political mix that you assume would comply (like california) having significant spread and moving towards lockdowns?

CA is 10th best state in the country in number of cases per capita. Of the top 10 worst states in cases per capita 9 have no mask mandates or mandates that were enacted very recently.

I‘m not trying to say masks are all that matter. It’s a part of the plan. I will repeat again, this tired gotcha game that’s been played from the start with Covid restrictions has to end. We tried it the other way where many people largely ignore recommendations and look where that got us. Maybe it’s time to put politics aside and try following the recommendations for a while. It would be ideal if all Americans had the will and desire to do the right things, then we wouldn’t need government mandated restrictions.

 

[Jrb1979]

The article I saw doesn't say anything about enforcement. Going into someone's house won't happen. I suppose fines could happen, but probably not unless a very large party was involved. Clearly, there aren't enough police to monitor what every family does at Thanksgiving.

I'm kind of torn on whether an order is better than a recommendation in these circumstances. It is true that people would likely pay more attention if a directive was given the status of an order - laws work primarily because most people agree with the concept of an ordered society and believe laws ensure that.

But if too many see an order as governmental overreach, either because it is too intrusive or because there no way it can be enforced, it can cause more problems than it solves. People will turn their attention from doing what they can to prevent the virus to focusing on what they consider an oppressive law.

I don't know. They have been fining people here for having large gatherings and for the most part people listen. 3 homeowners were charged $2300 each for having over 20 people at their house for a Halloween party. I don't see anything wrong with doing that. As a mayor of a town near me said warning were ok back in March but by now everyone should know the rules. He is all for fining the ones who have large gatherings.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Totally agree, companies like The Walt Disney Company and Apple... The Walt Disney Company stopped being Walts Company after the unions came in and it started selling stock.

FYI, the Walt Disney Company's IPO was in 1957. Walt seemed to be very much in charge of his namesake company up until his death.

 

[Chi84]

I don't know. They have been fining people here for having large gatherings and for the most part people listen. 3 homeowners were charged $2300 each for having over 20 people at their house for a Halloween party. I don't see anything wrong with doing that. As a mayor of a town near me said warning were ok back in March but by now everyone should know the rules. He is all for fining the ones who have large gatherings.

I think Halloween parties are fundamentally different in character from Thanksgiving; local law enforcement is not going to want stories about an 85-year-old granny being fined because her kids told her it was okay to have family over the way she does every year.

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live? I'm in Chicago and enforcement of such an order here would be next to impossible. I can see it going over better in some of the smaller towns or suburbs, though.

 

[WillWrambles]

All the arguments are moot now. Joe has been installed as will be president, the US will be paying rejoining the WHO again, and As Joe said, China is not bad folks, so the US will be working for with China again.

Don’t tell me you believe the stupidity coming from the top. The PEOPLE who you saw doing all the talking about voting him out? They acted on it, and we see the results. Accept the loss, and shut your mouth. What‘s next, you still think Covid is a hoax?

 

[Patcheslee]

Three theories:

1) It interferes with part of the inflammatory response cascade, and limits platelet aggregation.

2) It interferes with the ability of the virus to bind to traget cells.

3) It interferes with the natural degradation of certain key immune mediators, thus prolonging their anti-viral effects.

Whatever the mechanism, it probably doesn't have any connection to the drug's effect on seratonin in depression.

Studies have shown happiness improves heart health and immunity, so maybe the increase is helping.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Studies have shown happiness improves heart health and immunity, so maybe the increase is helping.

The subjects weren't on the medication long enough for the antidepressant effects to manifest, so probably not. As I mentioned previously, if the result is real (need bigger trials to confirm), it probably operates independently of the serotonin modulating properties of the drug.

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't know. They have been fining people here for having large gatherings and for the most part people listen. 3 homeowners were charged $2300 each for having over 20 people at their house for a Halloween party. I don't see anything wrong with doing that. As a mayor of a town near me said warning were ok back in March but by now everyone should know the rules. He is all for fining the ones who have large gatherings.

It‘s a slippery slope on enforcement. I do think that a mandate vs a recommendation makes people more hesitant to not comply even if there is no threat of fines or real enforcement. I think a lot of people want to do what’s right but as soon as you say recommendation they view that as optional and don‘t feel like they are “breaking the rules“ doing so. A lot of this ends up in the court of public opinion. For example, a person who is planning a Thanksgiving get together with 25 people in FL could say it’s not against the rules here to do so but someone in one of the states that recently reduced their private gathering rules can no longer say that. In other words peer pressure and fear of social media backlash is probably greater than the fear of being fined by the government.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Don’t tell me you believe the stupidity coming from the top. The PEOPLE who you saw doing all the talking about voting him out? They acted on it, and we see the results. Accept the loss, and shut your mouth. What‘s next, you still think Covid is a hoax?

COVID is REAL! STAY CALM AND MASK ON! It’s so great that we will now have vaccine approved for distribution in December for emergency use!!! Well done Operation Warp Speed!!

 

[WillWrambles]

COVID is REAL! STAY CALM AND MASK ON! It’s so great that we will now have vaccine approved for distribution in December for emergency use!!! Well done Operation Warp Speed!!

The Vaccines came from Pfizer, which is not affiliated with Warp Speed, and they are the ones seeking emergency approval.

 

[Disstevefan1]

FYI, the Walt Disney Company's IPO was in 1957. Walt seemed to be very much in charge of his namesake company up until his death.

Technically in charge, but stopped being his company....

 

[Disstevefan1]

The Vaccines came from Pfizer, which is not affiliated with Warp Speed, and they are the ones seeking emergency approval.

As part of Operation Warp Speed, there is a deal with Pfizer for the purchase of the company’s vaccine, once it is authorized by the FDA.

 

[hopemax]

Just wondering, what is the context behind this? Is the senate still talking about hydrodroxychloroquine, for God knows what reason other than to placate the unending narcissism of a certain individual?

In addition to what has already been said... In June, reports were the US still had 63 million doses of it. Somebody wanted to be the savior who showed up with a magic drug and ordered the US to go all-in and that somebody can never be wrong. Some of the true believers are doctors and patients who want to use it for outpatient treatment.

Plus, since the left has said COVID has been politicized, the right has to prove it’s been “both sides.” Senator Ron Johnson has picked HCQ as his both sides issue. Specifically, we should leave it up to Doctors to decide if it’s safe and effective for COVID treatment. It’s politics that says it’s not those things. Doctors who want to prescribe it for COVID are being “demonized” and threatened with the lose of their medical licenses and this is “wrong.” The FDA exemption should be re-granted and give Doctors and Patients their rights back.

CSPAN does have video of the hearing if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.

Senate Hearing on COVID-19 Outpatient Treatment

Medical professionals testified on COVID-19 outpatient treatment at a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI), who chairs the committee, said in his opening remarks that early treatment and use of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, had become a partisan debate and the...

www.c-span.org

 

[SamusAranX]

Don’t tell me you believe the stupidity coming from the top. The PEOPLE who you saw doing all the talking about voting him out? They acted on it, and we see the results. Accept the loss, and shut your mouth. What‘s next, you still think Covid is a hoax?

Does anyone read the rules?

Stop the election crap.

This thread is not about it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

In addition to what has already been said... In June, reports were the US still had 63 million doses of it. Somebody wanted to be the savior who showed up with a magic drug and ordered the US to go all-in and that somebody can never be wrong. Some of the true believers are doctors and patients who want to use it for outpatient treatment.

Plus, since the left has said COVID has been politicized, the right has to prove it’s been “both sides.” Senator Ron Johnson has picked HCQ as his both sides issue. Specifically, we should leave it up to Doctors to decide if it’s safe and effective for COVID treatment. It’s politics that says it’s not those things. Doctors who want to prescribe it for COVID are being “demonized” and threatened with the lose of their medical licenses and this is “wrong.” The FDA exemption should be re-granted and give Doctors and Patients their rights back.

CSPAN does have video of the hearing if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.

Senate Hearing on COVID-19 Outpatient Treatment

Medical professionals testified on COVID-19 outpatient treatment at a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI), who chairs the committee, said in his opening remarks that early treatment and use of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, had become a partisan debate and the...

www.c-span.org

Given the huge amounts of evidence that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit, any physician still prescribing it for COVID-19 would be rightly demonized, especially given that we now have better treatment options. But it takes much more than inappropriate hydroxychloroquine prescriptions to revoke a physician's license.

 

[GoofGoof]

As part of Operation Warp Speed, there’s deal with Pfizer is for the purchase of the company’s vaccine, once it is authorized by the FDA.

Agreed. Can we put the Warp Speed debate aside for good? Here are the facts. Pfizer entered into an agreement to sell doses of the vaccine to the federal government under the Warp Speed program so for sake of discussion Warp Speed = US federal government. Pfizer did not take upfront money from the Warp Speed program for vaccine research (others did) and they are not using McKesson (the company hired by Warp Speed to handle logistics of vaccine delivery) for vaccine distribution while others are. Warp Speed will be buying the vaccine from Pfizer once it’s delivered to wherever the Warp Speed program and CDC tell them to deliver it. When you show up to get the Pfizer vaccine the vials and syringes used by the provider to inoculate you will have also been provided under the warp speed program. That’s why the vaccine is free.

So when Pfizer says the vaccine was not researched and developed under the Warp Speed program, that’s true. If the vaccine failed Pfizer would be out billions in costs and get zero dollars from the federal government. It was very much developed at risk for Pfizer. When someone says the Pfizer vaccine has nothing to do with Warp Speed that’s obviously not true. The doses will be paid for by the federal government at a fixed, contracted price and the tools used to administer it will also come from Warp Speed.

The Warp Speed program was a good plan so I don’t see any need to deny credit to the outgoing administration for doing it. It’s also not revolutionary or very outside the box in thinking. The EU, UK and Japan also have similar programs. If Pfizer hadn’t sold a dose to the US government they would still have more than enough revenue coming in from sales to those other groups to make a small profit from the vaccine. So while the idea of investing upfront for the vaccine is a great one, it’s an international success story, not just an American one.

 

[WillWrambles]

Does anyone read the rules?

Stop the election crap.

This thread is not about it.

I didn’t start it.

All the arguments are moot now. Joe has been installed as will be president, the US will be paying rejoining the WHO again, and As Joe said, China is not bad folks, so the US will be working for with China again.

 

[hopemax]

Given the huge amounts of evidence that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit, any physician still prescribing it for COVID-19 would be rightly demonized, especially given that we now have better treatment options. But it takes much more than inappropriate hydroxychloroquine prescriptions to revoke a physician's license.

The threat was that prescribing could put you in front of the state’s review board. In March, the Governor of Michigan issued a formal warning about the possibility. That’s the origin of this “it’s the left that’s politicizing!” And with everything about this, the horse must be beaten again and again.

 

[Parker in NYC]

CA is 10th best state in the country in number of cases per capita. Of the top 10 worst states in cases per capita 9 have no mask mandates or mandates that were enacted very recently.

I‘m not trying to say masks are all that matter. It’s a part of the plan. I will repeat again, this tired gotcha game that’s been played from the start with Covid restrictions has to end. We tried it the other way where many people largely ignore recommendations and look where that got us. Maybe it’s time to put politics aside and try following the recommendations for a while. It would be ideal if all Americans had the will and desire to do the right things, then we wouldn’t need government mandated restrictions.

The gotcha game will never end. They set the rules of the game right at the outset (see pages 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.). And if they find anyone who disagrees with them, they'll branch off to another venue that suits their interests, be it a social media platform, news source, etc. There's no sense reasoning with them.

 

[GoofGoof]

One more thing to add to the operation Warp Speed discussion. That program is largely run by career CDC employees and the logistics branch of the US Military. Nobody should be worried about political taint to the program. We need everyone to ”trust the process“. We need everyone to get vaccinated. We are all in this together.