easyrowrdw
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Also, the idea of the government telling me who I can and cannot associate with in my own house is a bridge way too far.
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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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Disstevefan1
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If Joe says we should all wear masks then I guess we should. Heck, Joe wears two sometimes....
GoofGoof
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What if they just tell you that you can’t see anyone?
I don’t think there‘s any practical way to fine people for having family or friends over especially for a holiday. That has to be just people using good judgment. I am not opposed to fines for large parties, similar to how some towns fine people for noise ordinances or curfew violations for minors.
Maybe this will be the rebirth of the speakeasy. The maskless speakeasy.
"DeSantis sent me..."
GoofGoof
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You should have been wearing one before Joe said it
I don’t know if there‘s good science behind wearing 2 masks, but 2 is better than zero 
Jrb1979
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For the most part they aren't fining you for having a few people over. They ones they are after are the ones I posted earlier, the ones that had over 20 people for a Halloween party. The ones that get in trouble are the ones that have multiple families together with a bunch of cars parked outside.
You can associate with whoever you want. They just don't want people have big parties right now. For the most part they mainly have been warning people. I don't see what the big deal is.
DisneyTransport
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I wore two masks before it was coolYou should have been wearing one before Joe said it
Uncle Joe better wear 2 masks when he walks into the White House (God willing). Can't be too careful about these hotspots!You should have been wearing one before Joe said it
GoofGoof
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Should be safe by the time he checks in...everyone will have had it by then
If he checks in. It seems a lot of people are depending on My Disney Experience and we know how glitchy/awful that can be.Should be safe by the time he checks in...everyone will have had it by then
Heppenheimer
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Probably because the enforcement is rare and up to the discretion of the officer to only pull over the worst offender.
Living in Germany for several years completely changed my driving habits. Over there (and in most of Europe), enforcement is left up to the cameras. You never know where they will pop up and they flag every single offender. Unless you want to pay for yet another unsolicited souvenir photo of yourself driving, you quickly learn to follow the speed limits (btw, only certain areas of the Autobahn have no speed limit, and even here, your speed is often limited by the flow of traffic).
If the fine is applied regularly, and consistently, then it starts to affect behavior in the desired direction. To paraphrase the old saying, if you want to discourage a behavior, fine it, if you want to encourage it, subsidize it.
easyrowrdw
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haha I already don't see anyone. I don't need to the government for that.What if they just tell you that you can’t see anyone?
I don’t think there‘s any practical way to fine people for having family or friends over especially for a holiday. That has to be just people using good judgment. I am not opposed to fines for large parties, similar to how some towns fine people for noise ordinances or curfew violations for minors.
I'm not in favor of those fines either. I understand it, but I think the same principle applies. I wouldn't do it, however.
Oh, those already exist. I've seen stuff online for meet-ups around the city for "maskless" groups. Not with family, mind you, but just groups of like-minded people who want to get together and not wear masks.
Is this a new dating app byline? "Love Kurosawa films, PNP, and maskless hijinks." Come to think of it... that could have existed pre-COVID.
Ugh heading towards 10% positivity.
GoofGoof
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It’s not 6 months or a year living in a bunker. It’s 6 months to a year having some very specific things restricted. The vast majority of stuff people do is not completely restricted and can still be done maybe with just a different physical layout or masks or different location. I don’t feel like I’m “not living” because there’s some stuff I just need to wait to do. I get that some people disagree with that.
Heppenheimer
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How about an "Eyes Wide Shut"-style bacchanal for those who still want their hijinks but want to remain somewhat safe? (I wanted to link a video, but they were all NSFW).
Fidelio!
GoofGoof
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On the vaccine front HHS secretary and former chair of the coronavirus task force Alex Azar says there will be enough vaccine to vaccinate nursing home residents, healthcare workers and first responders by the end of January and enough for all Americans by the end of March or early April. Even with a little slippage in timing and the need for 2 shots 3 weeks apart it seems like the vast majority of people who want the vaccine should be able to get it well before Memorial Day and the unofficial start to summer. That would be huge for WDW and for all of us if enough people can be convinced to get it.
news.yahoo.com
HHS Secretary: Coronavirus 'general vaccination' programs by spring
In an appearance on the TODAY show, HHS Secretary Alex Azar outlined what he said would be the distribution schedule for Pfizer's experimental vaccine
GoofGoof
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...and until the vaccine comes out follow this advice from our favorite Dr everyone loves or loves to hate:
www.yahoo.com
Clipped from an article discussing what we have been saying for a little while now. The current spread seems to be more linked to smaller private gatherings with no face coverings or distancing vs public exposure.
Dr. Fauci Says Most People Did This Before Catching COVID
With coronavirus cases frequently resulting in 3,000 deaths a day, Am I going to catch it, too? Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, talked with Andrea Mitchell of MSNBC about where everyone is...
You're completely missing the point that 0.2% can be a HUGE number. That's exactly the point of asking if people would still go to a show or ride an attraction if 0.2% of people died on it. It's got nothing to do with how those things compare to COVID.
People in general look at 0.2% and think that's it's a super small chance, practically never happens. They think something like "If I take action X and there's a 0.2% chance that something bad may happen then it's totally safe to take action X.". And, for a single individual in a single event, that's going to be true the vast majority of the time.
But, that's not what is going on. It's not a single event with that chance. It's 10,000,000 or 100,000,000 or more events. At that point, 0.2% is a HUGE number. If the risk was 0.2% of 100,000,000 will break a finger. We might be just fine with 200,000 broken fingers. The impact of a broken finger while bad isn't catastrophic. But, as the impact becomes more severe, even a risk that small becomes a much bigger deal. It's hard to get much more severe than death.
So, yes, when people say "Getting COVID is no big deal, the death rate is only 0.2%", my assumption is they're not picturing 0.2% correctly in comparison to the severity of the risk. The example of 1,000 people do an activity for 1,000 distinct events where 0.2% of those events result in death is exactly the comparison to illustrate the risk better. With no relation at all to COVID but simply a safety factor of going to a show. If a 1,000 seat theater is only 0.2% safe from death each show, then 2 people would die every show. Would the same people who say 0.2% is no big deal not worry about seeing a show in that theater?
Since the concept of "0.2% no big deal" always comes up in the context of doing less to reduce community spread. The alternative to thinking 0.2% isn't being pictured well is that these same people are totally fine with many hundred thousand or millions of deaths. I choose to think it's a visualization problem and not people who don't care about that many deaths.
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