Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyTransport]

Well, I've been living my life as much as allowed (including attending one of those super spreader events a couple of weeks ago) and I haven't gotten it yet unless I have been completely and totally asymptomatic as in not feeling one bit different on any day since March. I've actually monitored my temperature daily as a curiosity experiment. Nor has anybody that I spend time around or any of their close contacts gotten it.

It isn't THAT contagious outside of specific situations. Sure, if somebody has it and is in the middle of a tightly packed crowd in a small bar with poor ventilation then it is likely they will transmit it to some number of people. Walking down Main Street USA, even maskless, that same person is not likely to transmit it to anybody else unless they sneeze or cough right next to them.

Your first part seems to fit a thought process of "well, I held this metal pole outside during a lightning storm and didn't get struck. So that must mean its safe to always do it!"

Just follow the basic recommended safety practices. Like, come on.

 

[GoofGoof]

Such as? (I'm actually curious) I guess we have different ways of thought. I think its best for those actions to be made by the government, not a public university. It doesn't seem right to me. I also think it opens a can of worms in terms of, if the university is threatening people with expulsion for attending outside parties, then students should be able to win lawsuits if they contract COVID traced to a university interaction.

It’s not illegal to plagiarize a paper or cheat on a test, but you can be expelled for it. It’s not illegal for me to call you a racial slur in public, but I could be suspended or expelled for it at a University. It’s not illegal for me to carry a gun on me, but you can be expelled for it on certain campuses. Just a few examples. Every college has some version of a student handbook or code of conduct and not everything that is prohibited has to be against the law.

In normal times students can be suspended or expelled for attending parties that are prohibited even if they are off campus. I know people who got in trouble for off campus parties back when I was in school.

 

[GoofGoof]

Your first part seems to fit a thought process of "well, I held this metal pole outside during a lightning storm and didn't get struck. So that must mean its safe to always do it!"

Just follow the basic recommended safety practices. Like, come on.

That’s why I brought up the Russian Roulette analogy a while back. I’ve seen many people say something similar. I did something people said was unsafe and nothing happened to me so it must be OK to do it. I’ve also seen many people say things like, nobody I know has gotten sick. I hear that less and less these days, but still out there.

 

[DisneyTransport]

It’s not illegal to plagiarize a paper or cheat on a test, but you can be expelled for it.

Doesn't count. It relates directly to the university's integrity.

It’s not illegal for me to call you a racial slur in public, but I could be suspended or expelled for it at a University. It’s not illegal for me to carry a gun on me, but you can be expelled for it on certain campuses. Just a few examples.

Yeah, good points

Every college has some version of a student handbook or code of conduct and not everything that is prohibited has to be against the law.

In normal times students can be suspended or expelled for attending parties that are prohibited even if they are off campus. I know people who got in trouble for off campus parties back when I was in school.

Interesting. I would like to sit on a university's CoC review board to see how they go about it. I'm a good person, so I never really looked into what the limits of the CoC while I was in school

 

[DisneyTransport]

That’s why I brought up the Russian Roulette analogy a while back. I’ve seen many people say something similar. I did something people said was unsafe and nothing happened to me so it must be OK to do it. I’ve also seen many people say things like, nobody I know has gotten sick. I hear that less and less these days, but still out there.

I think I remember reading that analogy. I haven't been able to read all the posts in this thread.... I switch tabs for a second only to see where now 10 pages ahead!

 

[DisneyCane]

Your first part seems to fit a thought process of "well, I held this metal pole outside during a lightning storm and didn't get struck. So that must mean its safe to always do it!"

Just follow the basic recommended safety practices. Like, come on.

That’s why I brought up the Russian Roulette analogy a while back. I’ve seen many people say something similar. I did something people said was unsafe and nothing happened to me so it must be OK to do it. I’ve also seen many people say things like, nobody I know has gotten sick. I hear that less and less these days, but still out there.

My point wasn't that I can't possibly get it. My point was that if it was as contagious as some make it out to be I would have gotten it by now. Outside of specific situations, the likelihood of any individual to get infected is very low, even in hotspots.

I don't like being told that I should be living differently because there is a small chance I could get infected and then spread it to others. As I've said, I don't have an issue with the basic social distancing and sanitization measures although I believe that businesses forced to implement these protocols should be compensated by the authority which is imposing the measures.

I know of several people who have had COVID. The one I know of that was hospitalized was an obese diabetic in his late 60s that was in the hospital for 43 days and survived. Everybody else I know of has had either a mild case or something that they say they've been more sick. The one symptom that some have had that I wouldn't want is the loss of taste and smell for weeks.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Your first part seems to fit a thought process of "well, I held this metal pole outside during a lightning storm and didn't get struck. So that must mean its safe to always do it!"

Just follow the basic recommended safety practices. Like, come on.

I will cop to this... I visited Disneyland just as the original surge in cases began back in the spring. In fact, I was there on the last night the park was open (didn't stay until the final farewell, however). Neither I, my wife, nor my son became sick, and we were all tested soon thereafter.

In my defense, the trip was planned and booked before anyone had ever heard the word "COVID". Had I known then what we know now (or even what we knew a month or two later), I would have canceled the trip.

People can learn and adapt... people MUST learn and adapt if we're ever going to get out of this.

 

[Patcheslee]

But a CoC that restricts what your able to do in your life when your not on campus? I dont like it. Now if the gov. made an order regarding attending events, then yea the university should be able to punish those that break these types of orders

I don't care for it either but even with employers it's seen all the time. We have a "treatment of others" policy for work, and that applies even to outside of work hours or not on property.
Private schools have more leeway in what they can expect vs public. But it's a fine line they tread and at time tick ppl off with.

 

[DisneyTransport]

My point wasn't that I can't possibly get it. My point was that if it was as contagious as some make it out to be I would have gotten it by now. Outside of specific situations, the likelihood of any individual to get infected is very low, even in hotspots.

Nah, I dont agree with that. That thought process is flawed.

I don't like being told that I should be living differently because there is a small chance I could get infected and then spread it to others. As I've said, I don't have an issue with the basic social distancing and sanitization measures although I believe that businesses forced to implement these protocols should be compensated by the authority which is imposing the measures.

I know of several people who have had COVID. The one I know of that was hospitalized was an obese diabetic in his late 60s that was in the hospital for 43 days and survived. Everybody else I know of has had either a mild case or something that they say they've been more sick. The one symptom that some have had that I wouldn't want is the loss of taste and smell for weeks.

Well, I have about 240K people (along with two of my friends) who would beg to differ that COVID is in fact very contagious and deadly.
Also, how drastically are you having to change the way you live? I'm curious as to what you disagree with that is causing you to live differently?
I also kinda agree with you about the businesses. I don't think its right to say some business can make money while others can't. I dont have a detailed plan of how to fix that, but I have an opinion in that regard.

 

[Jrb1979]

My point wasn't that I can't possibly get it. My point was that if it was as contagious as some make it out to be I would have gotten it by now. Outside of specific situations, the likelihood of any individual to get infected is very low, even in hotspots.

I don't like being told that I should be living differently because there is a small chance I could get infected and then spread it to others. As I've said, I don't have an issue with the basic social distancing and sanitization measures although I believe that businesses forced to implement these protocols should be compensated by the authority which is imposing the measures.

I know of several people who have had COVID. The one I know of that was hospitalized was an obese diabetic in his late 60s that was in the hospital for 43 days and survived. Everybody else I know of has had either a mild case or something that they say they've been more sick. The one symptom that some have had that I wouldn't want is the loss of taste and smell for weeks.

What should have been done is what they did here for all businesses. They covered 65% of expenses and 65% of wages for all businesses that have been affected by shutdowns or capacity limits.

 

[danlb_2000]

My point wasn't that I can't possibly get it. My point was that if it was as contagious as some make it out to be I would have gotten it by now. Outside of specific situations, the likelihood of any individual to get infected is very low, even in hotspots.

I don't like being told that I should be living differently because there is a small chance I could get infected and then spread it to others. As I've said, I don't have an issue with the basic social distancing and sanitization measures although I believe that businesses forced to implement these protocols should be compensated by the authority which is imposing the measures.

Do you deny that the virus is putting a significant strain on our healthcare system, and in some places the system is getting overwhelmed even with restrictions in place? If you don't deny that, then how do you suggest we deal with that problem. Our healthcare system is not built with a lot of extra capacity. If we are going to accept that a significantly larger portion of our population is going to be sick at any one time, how do we build out the healthcare system to handle that?

 

[danlb_2000]

My point wasn't that I can't possibly get it. My point was that if it was as contagious as some make it out to be I would have gotten it by now. Outside of specific situations, the likelihood of any individual to get infected is very low, even in hotspots.

If it isn't that contagious, then why are so many people getting it?

 

[Heppenheimer]

I thought universities and COVID precautions was an interesting mix. How can a public university punish you for doing something that is 1) not illegal and 2) off campus? That doesn't apply directly to that article though, just along the general idea of universities and covid

For the Notre Dame example in particular, they restrict some basic things that probably only a handful of other schools do. Look up the term "parietals" as it applies to this school.

 

[GoofGoof]

Do you deny that the virus is putting a significant strain on our healthcare system, and in some places the system is getting overwhelmed even with restrictions in place? If you don't deny that, then how do you suggest we deal with that problem. Our healthcare system is not built with a lot of extra capacity. If we are going to accept that a significantly larger portion of our population is going to be sick at any one time, how do we build out the healthcare system to handle that?

Simple answer is that if most people follow recommendations then some people can get away with not following and the system doesn‘t get overwhelmed...at least so far, but we have come pretty close a few places. If everyone ignored all the precautions the system would be overrun. This is why the concept of selfish gets thrown around in regard to people’s behavior. I know that triggers some people to use the word selfish, but if the shoe fits ....

 

[DisneyTransport]

Simple answer is that if most people follow recommendations then some people can get away with not following and the system doesn‘t get overwhelmed...at least so far, but we have come pretty close a few places. If everyone ignored all the precautions the system would be overrun. This is why the concept of selfish gets thrown around in regard to people’s behavior. I know that triggers some people to use the word selfish, but if the shoe fits ....

I agree. I wish we had more of a collectivist mindset here in the US.

 

[danlb_2000]

Simple answer is that if most people follow recommendations then some people can get away with not following and the system doesn‘t get overwhelmed...at least so far, but we have come pretty close a few places. If everyone ignored all the precautions the system would be overrun. This is why the concept of selfish gets thrown around in regard to people’s behavior. I know that triggers some people to use the word selfish, but if the shoe fits ....

Agreed, but the OP is advocating the removal of mandatory restrictions and I doubt people would follow a lot of these restrictions if they were not mandatory.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 69 new reported deaths.

 

[GoofGoof]

Agreed, but the OP is advocating the removal of mandatory restrictions and I doubt people would follow a lot of these restrictions if they were not mandatory.

Yeah, bad idea. If anything people need to pull back a little on activity right now. We all knew there was a real good chance that the virus would come in waves and we are just starting an upswing. IMHO most people want to do what’s right but they will look at government mandates and if they become optional compliance will shrink a lot. Many people will look at it as unnecessary if its voluntary and not mandatory.

 

[Jrb1979]

Yeah, bad idea. If anything people need to pull back a little on activity right now. We all knew there was a real good chance that the virus would come in waves and we are just starting an upswing. IMHO most people want to do what’s right but they will look at government mandates and if they become optional compliance will shrink a lot. Many people will look at it as unnecessary if its voluntary and not mandatory.

Its why here they have tied fines to a lot of restrictions. Getting hit in the pocket book makes people listen. Its a shame that a few on here make angry faces when ever its brought up. All I say is if people would just do what is asked then they have nothing to worry about.

 

[DisneyTransport]

Its why here they have tied fines to a lot of restrictions. Getting hit in the pocket book makes people listen. Its a shame that a few on here make angry faces when ever its brought up. All I say is if people would just do what is asked then they have nothing to worry about.

Uh well not everyone responds well to fines.... easiest example: speeding tickets