Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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techgeek said:
There is a lot of truth to this, but there is also a lot of reality that will have to be worked through to get us to the point of WDW closing again.

It's obvious, at this point, that the company will not make the call to close again on their own accord. There will be no change in the actionable messaging on the federal level until at least late January. It will take a beyond catastrophic situation for the state of Florida to mandate closures, and barring such event the state may actively continue to prevent localities like Orange County or Orlando from enacting their own restrictions. If Universal pulls the plug first, Disney may feel compelled to follow... but maybe even not. I mostly doubt Universal would make that call either.

So where does that leave us? It has to get a lot.. a lot.. worse here on the ground here in Florida before we talk about a WDW shutdown round 2. Not just back to the June / July #s, NYC levels of worse. That's not exactly good or right and I don't personally agree with it, but that's the reality I'm seeing from here. Hopefully whatever luck 2020 might still have for us comes through and we don't have to find out if I'm right.
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I fully agree with this. Totally.

Unfortunately...it’s a tacit acceptance of the “acceptable losses” do nothing theory.

That’s where we are...kinda “medical vietnam”
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Polkadotdress said:
And that “dipstick governor” is in the news tonight for continuing to promote the “that isn’t a Covid death” theory, therefore things aren’t that bad in FL*.

*according to him
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Expected deaths are up across the board with no other explanation...and this mini dictator is still trying that crap? People just “subconsciously” felt like dying more this year, huh??

Right...it was because they were “heartbroken” they couldn’t go to the bar in June 🙄

You are what you are...And flor-I-duh made yet another resounding claim to the title this week. I don’t expect it will change. At some point it might worth investing in a “yuge” saw and start cutting at the border 🤔
 
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Polkadotdress

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Expected deaths are up across the board with no other explanation...and this mini dictator is still trying that crap? People just “subconsciously” felt like dying more this year, huh??

Right...it was because they were “heartbroken” they couldn’t go to the bar in June 🙄

You are what you are...And flor-I-duh made yet another resounding claim to the title this week. I don’t expect it will change. At some point it might worth investing in a “yuge” saw and start cutting at the border 🤔
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An article summarizing the current state of his thinking, and hiring of a conspiracy theorist data cruncher. Also telling is this quote from his spokesman: "The governor, however, rejects the scientific consensus that COVID-19 has killed more than 230,000 Americans, according to Piccolo."

Why does he feel this way? Another quote: "Piccolo said that over the past month that the governor’s attention has turned to whether Florida’s death toll is inflated — something that, if true, might improve the public’s perception of how DeSantis handled the pandemic."


 
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easyrowrdw

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HongKongFooy said:
Real cute!

Let's see here: one goes and gets tested thinking he's likely CV+ when he's actually not then picks up virus from the unprotected test giver who got it up from his work duties and already given it to 4 others.

Ironic for the one who didn't have it but picked it up via testing.
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I don't understand the cute comment, but you raise a good point. It would also be remedied with greater availability of PPE.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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techgeek said:
There is a lot of truth to this, but there is also a lot of reality that will have to be worked through to get us to the point of WDW closing again.

It's obvious, at this point, that the company will not make the call to close again on their own accord. There will be no change in the actionable messaging on the federal level until at least late January. It will take a beyond catastrophic situation for the state of Florida to mandate closures, and barring such event the state may actively continue to prevent localities like Orange County or Orlando from enacting their own restrictions. If Universal pulls the plug first, Disney may feel compelled to follow... but maybe even not. I mostly doubt Universal would make that call either.

So where does that leave us? It has to get a lot.. a lot.. worse here on the ground here in Florida before we talk about a WDW shutdown round 2. Not just back to the June / July #s, NYC levels of worse. That's not exactly good or right and I don't personally agree with it, but that's the reality I'm seeing from here. Hopefully whatever luck 2020 might still have for us comes through and we don't have to find out if I'm right.
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I think its going to get real bad. REAL BAD.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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I know there are many scenarios that could play out here between now and January, but my fear is that this dude is just going to completely check out- as if we dont even have a leader- and absolutely nothing will be done. The next 3/4 months are the most crucial in our nations battle against the virus. Him completely checking out will be even more disastrous. A bad job is being done now, but at least minimal effort is being made. There is no benefit for him any longer to minimize the virus.

Like out of anger he could even do things that are very harmful to the process.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Polkadotdress said:
An article summarizing the current state of his thinking, and hiring of a conspiracy theorist data cruncher. Also telling is this quote from his spokesman: "The governor, however, rejects the scientific consensus that COVID-19 has killed more than 230,000 Americans, according to Piccolo."

Why does he feel this way? Another quote: "Piccolo said that over the past month that the governor’s attention has turned to whether Florida’s death toll is inflated — something that, if true, might improve the public’s perception of how DeSantis handled the pandemic."


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The theory is he’s going to make “a run” in 2024...which is laughable because he’s going to “lose” in 2022...

As bugs bunny said: “what a maroon”
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Bob Harlem said:
Good thing Florida won't close becase
They are going to open up more in December and January, this thread is so out of touch.
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Here’s the wrinkle you don’t see or ignore: the stupids lost

I’ll go ahead and not mince. It’s pointless now.

This could bring 75 days of complete covid chaos and that is going to impact business in ways we don’t completely understand.

And I’ll remind: Bob Iger isn’t building his next beach house in Panama City or yeehaw junction. Check his bio and realize who he is.

They still are concerned about the LONG term damage to their parks business. The moves they do now will matter for generations. That’s what a “margins” run company does now.

So will they be cautious? Or will they use the people of the Southeast as “canon fodder” for lower than normal winter revenues in 2021 if Vid follow all the medical predictions (which still have been resoundingly correct. Make sure your “news” doesn’t tell you otherwise)?

I know which way I think that would tilt in that scenario.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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oceanbreeze77 said:
I know there are many scenarios that could play out here between now and January, but my fear is that this dude is just going to completely check out- as if we dont even have a leader- and absolutely nothing will be done. The next 3/4 months are the most crucial in our nations battle against the virus. Him completely checking out will be even more disastrous. A bad job is being done now, but at least minimal effort is being made. There is no benefit for him any longer to minimize the virus.

Like out of anger he could even do things that are very harmful to the process.
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Well...the news today is that one side has moved on and is assembling corona task force and ramping up its briefings now.

An unprecedented and necessary move. They’re gonna Implement a corona strategy BEFORE they’re in charge...and make the case to the public.

That is politically brilliant. Looks like those that got into Harvard and Penn on merit are heading towards the beltway again.

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GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Bob Harlem said:
Good thing Florida won't close becase
They are going to open up more in December and January, this thread is so out of touch.
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Hours are expanded in December for the holidays. The parks looked packed on Election Day when a lot of kids had off from school. Weekends are crowded. Lots of locals. Hours drop back down in January when kids get back to school. Right now WDW is surviving on the backs of locals. The tourist crowd from out of state isn’t coming back in large enough numbers. The 10,000+ hotel rooms still out of service is a pretty good sign of that. Out of control surging cases will not help that. I think the only bright side for Disney for out of state tourism is they have a lot of DVC owners with points ready to expire that may not have come back yet, but they don’t want their points to expire worthless.

I agree it’s unlikely WDW closes again. That will only happen if things get really, really bad or if there is a large outbreak (or several smaller ones) linked directly to WDW. So far so good on that front but as cases rise in the overall community and you have way more people in the parks then you had back in July when they opened it’s more likely to happen. I’m not saying it will, but there’s a good reason Disney keeps tightening their safety protocols (recently banned eating and drinking in queue lines).
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Here’s the wrinkle you don’t see or ignore: the stupids lost

I’ll go ahead and not mince. It’s pointless now.

This could bring 75 days of complete covid chaos and that is going to impact business in ways we don’t completely understand.

And I’ll remind: Bob Iger isn’t building his next beach house in Panama City or yeehaw junction. Check his bio and realize who he is.

They still are concerned about the LONG term damage to their parks business. The moves they do know will matter for generations. That’s what a “margins” run company does now.

So will they be cautious? Or will they use the people of the Southeast as “canon fodder” for lower than normal winter revenues in 2021 if Vid follow all the medical predictions (which still have been resoundingly correct. Make sure your “news” doesn’t tell you otherwise)?

I know which way I think that would tilt in that scenario.
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I actually think they will stay open for mostly locals. People seem to be happy going and they are losing less money being open. I think the only thing that changes that now is bad press. It’s very hard to pin an outbreak on WDW (especially when a large nu of guests are local and staying for less time). How do you prove they got infected at WDW. An outbreak among CMs is more likely and more easily traced, especially if you have CMs that weren’t doing a whole lot outside of work. Anyway, I see no reason to close WDW when the rest of the state is being way less cautious. They still come across as the adult in the room for sure.
 
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GimpYancIent

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Well...the news today is that one side has moved on and is assembling corona task force and ramping up its briefings now.

An unprecedented and necessary move. They’re gonna Implement a corona strategy BEFORE they’re in charge...and make the case to the public.

That is politically brilliant. Looks like those that got into Harvard and Penn on merit are heading towards the beltway again.

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I hope the eagle consumes a few before they get to the beltway. Need doers not academics.
 
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GimpYancIent

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Here’s the wrinkle you don’t see or ignore: the stupids lost

I’ll go ahead and not mince. It’s pointless now.

This could bring 75 days of complete covid chaos and that is going to impact business in ways we don’t completely understand.

And I’ll remind: Bob Iger isn’t building his next beach house in Panama City or yeehaw junction. Check his bio and realize who he is.

They still are concerned about the LONG term damage to their parks business. The moves they do now will matter for generations. That’s what a “margins” run company does now.

So will they be cautious? Or will they use the people of the Southeast as “canon fodder” for lower than normal winter revenues in 2021 if Vid follow all the medical predictions (which still have been resoundingly correct. Make sure your “news” doesn’t tell you otherwise)?

I know which way I think that would tilt in that scenario.
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Iger is a lefty. Not news.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Disstevefan1 said:
WDW is not closing. Period. I don’t think even Joe has the power to close WDW as it’s a states rights thing.
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Joe doesn‘t, but the Bobs do. Disney is a public company based in CA. The governor of FL has no say on how or if they operate (outside of closing them with a stay at home order which ain’t happening). Politics has little to do with this. It’s a business decision. As long as they lose less money being open then they would if they were closed they will stay open unless the PR hit becomes too much. That’s not the case right now. They are actually getting kudos for being open and operating safely
 
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