Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

The app doesn’t work that way. Doesn‘t use GPS or tracking. It uses Bluetooth to collect a random number associated with anyone you come in contact with that also has the app. Then if one of those people tests positive the department of health flags their unique Id as positive and your phone is notified that you had contact with someone who tested positive and you receive instructions on where to go to get tested. You aren’t told who you had contact with or where so not even the user knows that info let alone a third party.

Yeah, that's what they want you to think.

I all seriousness, I think a lot of people who have resistance to tracing will not trust in the explanation that the app isn't tracking you.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah, that's what they want you to think.

I all seriousness, I think a lot of people who have resistance to tracing will not trust in the explanation that the app isn't tracking you.

True. In normal times I’d be hesitant to want to use something like that, but I was wiping my groceries down with disinfectant wipes, hoarding toilet paper and wearing a mask to visit with family...these ain’t normal times.

Right now in PA there are 410,825 registered users of the app and about 10M adults in the state so a little under 5% usage. Not exactly going to be effective with that low of use.

 

[SamusAranX]

Again, it's really hard to take all the hand-wringing about 5000 people, seriously when Slovakia tested 3.6 million people in 2 days.

Not being snarky, did Slovakia use that data to trace? Or just try and get a handle of who was positive at a given moment?

 

[sullyinMT]

Not being snarky, did Slovakia use that data to trace? Or just try and get a handle of who was positive at a given moment?

I don’t know how strong their isolation enforcement is over there, but at the very least it allows them to find as many positives as possible, isolate them, and meaningfully start the process from there.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Is Slovakia the country that had "great success" in March in the first wave and then disaster (wahwahweewah) in second wave by relaxing all the restrictions they had previously used?

 

[hopemax]

Not being snarky, did Slovakia use that data to trace? Or just try and get a handle of who was positive at a given moment?

Well, with that strategy it's obviously mostly the second. But I assume that the contacts of the 38,359 people who tested positive will be monitored and theoretically retested in a couple days. If these people are clustered in regions, communities, workplaces then they can keep an eye on the communities that are within proximity. As @sullivan.kscott said, they have meaningful starting points. So the contact tracing aspects of this will be in the future, not the present.

 

[DCBaker]

Statement from DCL -

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/guest-services/advisory/

 

[_caleb]

Yeah, that's what they want you to think.

I all seriousness, I think a lot of people who have resistance to tracing will not trust in the explanation that the app isn't tracking you.

Agree. That's why I think we should pay people to opt in. Seriously. Incentivize participation (I've no idea how much money/tax credits might make a difference on a mass scale), but–as others have mentioned- people sell their identities for very little these days.

 

[_caleb]

Statement from DCL -

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https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/guest-services/advisory/

Aren't there threads dedicated to Disney Cruises? Why do you insist on cluttering up this laser-focused, non-political, and completely on-topic COVID discussion with information about DCL?

 

[hopemax]

Agree. That's why I think we should pay people to opt in. Seriously. Incentivize participation (I've no idea how much money/tax credits might make a difference on a mass scale), but–as others have mentioned- people sell their identities for very little these days.

They probably just need business involvement. Download the app, check in, get a free whatever at Chick-Fil-A, Starbucks, McDonalds, the local Casino. Save 5% at the grocery store, Target, etc.

 

[_caleb]

They probably just need business involvement. Download the app, check in, get a free whatever at Chick-Fil-A, Starbucks, McDonalds, the local Casino. Save 5% at the grocery store, Target, etc.

This is a good idea. Also, it would be great if we had trusted voices that could promote the use of the apps. But with everything so polemical and political these days, I'm not sure such a person/people even exist.

 

[GoofGoof]

They probably just need business involvement. Download the app, check in, get a free whatever at Chick-Fil-A, Starbucks, McDonalds, the local Casino. Save 5% at the grocery store, Target, etc.

Sold I already downloaded the app...and I could really go for a spicy chicken sandwich.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If Target can identify pregnancies by what people buy, we can do so much more than what we are doing. The way retailers use AI, I have a hard time believing that given times and locations we can’t find places to start. The truth is there are too many interests that don’t want to know because of the closures and lockdowns that would result. Instead of targeted two-four weeks, they think they can obfuscate it to nothing, when in reality we spend months doing this.

I wonder how long Target, or rather the engineering team Target hired, took to develop the system, how long it took and how much data they needed to begin testing the system, and how many revisions the current systems had to go through to get it working.

If a development team working on a state of the art contact tracing system started in Feb 2020, they could possibly be beta testing right about now.

 

[TikibirdLand]

I wonder how long Target, or rather the engineering team Target hired, took to develop the system, how long it took and how much data they needed to begin testing the system, and how many revisions the current systems had to go through to get it working.

If a development team working on a state of the art contact tracing system started in Feb 2020, they could possibly be beta testing right about now.

And think of the number of ECVs and Mickey Waffles they could predict with a system like that!

 

[_caleb]

I wonder how long Target, or rather the engineering team Target hired, took to develop the system, how long it took and how much data they needed to begin testing the system, and how many revisions the current systems had to go through to get it working.

If a development team working on a state of the art contact tracing system started in Feb 2020, they could possibly be beta testing right about now.

That would only be true if they were starting from scratch. There was no need to start from scratch.

 

[SamusAranX]

They probably just need business involvement. Download the app, check in, get a free whatever at Chick-Fil-A, Starbucks, McDonalds, the local Casino. Save 5% at the grocery store, Target, etc.

“Chik-fil-a would like to notify you when you got nuggies and we’re exposed to COVID. Allow/don’t allow?”

 

[Disstevefan1]

You keep saying things that could have some truth, but aren't due to over-simplification.

Contact tracing is indeed expensive and time-consuming, and the data is certainly MORE valuable when its done quickly. But when you write it like this "for the data to have value..." (and then copy/ paste it again and again as a response), you spread misinformation.

This is particularly dangerous when contact tracing depends on the cooperation of the public. Bad information leads some (many!) to resist because "the data is useless," or "its an invasion of my privacy."

I stand corrected...

Contact tracing is a great idea but it’s just difficult even with today’s technology, that’s all I am saying. Everyone loves to say, contact tracing, contact tracing, easy to say but very expensive in resources, time and money, and for the data to have MORE value it needs to be done quickly.

The longer it takes to collect, analyze and deliver the data, the LESS value it has..

 

[_caleb]

I wonder how long Target, or rather the engineering team Target hired, took to develop the system, how long it took and how much data they needed to begin testing the system, and how many revisions the current systems had to go through to get it working.

If a development team working on a state of the art contact tracing system started in Feb 2020, they could possibly be beta testing right about now.

Also, Apple and Google partnered to develop the anonymous bluetooth tracing app. They started in April, and delivered it Sept. 2.

 

[TikibirdLand]

I stand corrected...

Contact tracing is a great idea but it’s just difficult even with today’s technology, that’s all I am saying. Everyone loves to say, contact tracing, contact tracing, easy to say but very expensive in resources, time and money, and for the data to have MORE value it needs to be done quickly.

I know... make the app auto magically provide the coupon if you're negative; If you're positive, offer free delivery.

 

[_caleb]

I stand corrected...

Contact tracing is a great idea but it’s just difficult even with today’s technology, that’s all I am saying. Everyone loves to say, contact tracing, contact tracing, easy to say but very expensive in resources, time and money, and for the data to have MORE value it needs to be done quickly.

Sorry- not trying to be pedantic. I appreciate the dialog.