Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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MisterPenguin said:
That's the problem with not having a Federal or even international standard of reporting (and a little arm twisting to make everyone comply with it). That there are so many sites tracking COVID because what we would expect for a central clearing house of data to be doing... isn't.

It's also the problem with cherry picking stats to bolster one's cause. All three metrics give a more complete view of what's happening. No need to pick just one.
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Exactly why I find the dashboard that epidemiologist put together so useful. He presents all available information in multiple ways. It makes it much easier to try and analyze what is going on!
 
Tink242424

Tink242424

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GoofGoof said:
There is no practical way to protect the high risk without either forcing them to stay totally isolated or reducing the overall infection levels. Based on the fact that the high risk group includes anyone that is elderly or has one of a number of pre-existing conditions more than half the population would fall into that category. It’s not possible to isolate half the population and if we did it would be a tragedy for the economy. That leaves us with the other option which is to try to reduce cases to a low enough level that the high risk group can still function safely in society without isolating. People in the higher risk group are still recommended to try to avoid unnecessary exposure to strangers when possible so they probably should be avoiding indoor dining and places like theme parks, but they can still go to work or their doctor’s office or the grocery store with proper precautions taken.
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Sure there is. Most places are doing this already. Having "senior hours" at stores to limit how many people are around the higher risk people. Many senior activities are on-hold. Coming up with practical ways to visit those who are high risk by either meeting outdoors or using masks and staying 6ft away indoors. When being indoors using a high quality air filter to help clean the air.

I highlight seniors but this can be done with anyone that is high risk. You may disagree but that is your opinion and this is my opinion.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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Tink242424 said:
So they pay taxes on the free money and that somehow helps the government recoup the money they just spent?? Overall I'm not for government assistance without the person doing something for it. I'm fine with picking up garbage or a beautification program. And I understand help is necessary here to help slow the spread by allowing people to live while staying home. I just think these programs are not well thought out from the beginning and never end up overall helping people the way they are intended.
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Agree to disagree cause so far it's done well for the majority of Canadians. For us it's helped those actually stay home if they get sick without worrying about income or worried about losing their jobs.
 
Kevin_W

Kevin_W

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MisterPenguin said:
That's the problem with not having a Federal or even international standard of reporting (and a little arm twisting to make everyone comply with it). That there are so many sites tracking COVID because what we would expect for a central clearing house of data to be doing... isn't.

It's also the problem with cherry picking stats to bolster one's cause. All three metrics give a more complete view of what's happening. No need to pick just one.
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I have half a dozen sites bookmarked that I check regularly for stats. It's odd that only 1 of them is a government agency (my state's DOH). All the nation data (and other states) is far earlier for me to find on the NYTimes, or covidtracking, or statsnews.
 
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Polkadotdress

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Heppenheimer said:
And it should be mentioned again. We have never achieved wide-spread, sustained herd immunity for any infectious disease in humans previously through natural exposure. The closest examples would be localized, temporary herd immunity for measles and rubella before vaccination and smallpox prior to eradication. But the morbidity and mortality associated with these diseases would be unacceptable today following that approach.
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I feel like you are shouting in the wind each time you post this. But, I am listening.


LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK WHO ARE STANDING SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER!!
 
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Polkadotdress

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Tink242424 said:
So they pay taxes on the free money and that somehow helps the government recoup the money they just spent?? Overall I'm not for government assistance without the person doing something for it. I'm fine with picking up garbage or a beautification program. And I understand help is necessary here to help slow the spread by allowing people to live while staying home. I just think these programs are not well thought out from the beginning and never end up overall helping people the way they are intended.
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Even here in the US, unemployment payments have taxes removed from them.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Tink242424 said:
Sure there is. Most places are doing this already. Having "senior hours" at stores to limit how many people are around the higher risk people. Many senior activities are on-hold. Coming up with practical ways to visit those who are high risk by either meeting outdoors or using masks and staying 6ft away indoors. When being indoors using a high quality air filter to help clean the air.

I highlight seniors but this can be done with anyone that is high risk. You may disagree but that is your opinion and this is my opinion.
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...I mean...I guess you get partial credit for “effort”...but the paper is still not gonna make the deans list 🤭
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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wdwmagic said:

CDC allows No-Sail Order to expire and will open the door for resuming cruise ship operations​

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CDC allows No-Sail Order to expire and will open the door for resuming cruise ship operations

CDC is establishing requirements to mitigate the COVID-19 risk to passengers and crew as it looks to resume cruises.
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Ehhh...I’d hold tight on that.

This is a political move...because this country is absolutely not in a position to handle this. It is what it is.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Tink242424 said:
Sure there is. Most places are doing this already. Having "senior hours" at stores to limit how many people are around the higher risk people. Many senior activities are on-hold. Coming up with practical ways to visit those who are high risk by either meeting outdoors or using masks and staying 6ft away indoors. When being indoors using a high quality air filter to help clean the air.

I highlight seniors but this can be done with anyone that is high risk. You may disagree but that is your opinion and this is my opinion.
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That works today because case spread isn’t rampant and there are actual protocols a lot of places. For example a senior can ride the bus or go to a grocery store or go to a doctor‘s office because the people around them are practicing distancing and wearing masks. Flash forward to a scenario where restrictions are lifted and there’s no masks and no distancing and no businesses closed so that those who aren’t high risk can do things deemed more risky. Now the same senior can’t ride the bus because the people who went to a concert the night before are sitting on the bus and they aren’t wearing masks. The grocery store becomes more problematic. Senior hours eliminate other shoppers but what about staff? The guy slicing meat at the deli counter could be in the let me do what I want camp. He has a much higher chance of infecting the senior. What happens to a person in the high risk group who is a single mother of 2 and needs to work outside the home. She now has to go to work and be exposed to people who are allowed to take more risks. It’s not practical to tell all of these people they must stay home and only come out during senior hours at the grocery store. It’s much more practical to have protocols in place that reduce spread making it easier for everyone to do what they need to.

On the economic front its a disaster. Taking half the population and only recommending they shop during senior hours is a death blow to many businesses. It may help bars or some restaurants in the short run but it would have devastating long term impacts.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Cumulative cases. From John Hopkins. I mean we can go back and forth here on what we did right(not much IMO) or what we did wrong(I don’t have that kind of time) but just look at that map. Sort of puts things in perspective.

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sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Ehhh...I’d hold tight on that.

This is a political move...because this country is absolutely not in a position to handle this. It is what it is.
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I agree, and doubt that cruises take off from 12/1 like currently scheduled. This at least allows the industry to meaningfully set protocols, and “get to the table” for conversations. The same reasons people were shouting for at least guidance from Newsom for theme parks apply here, as well.
We’ll probably need to wait at this point for widespread vaccine distribution, and mandatory vaccinations for cruisers 12+ (or whatever age has safety data). Don’t get started on choice. I mean, getting on the ship is a choice; following the ticket contract (easily updated for this) isn’t. Nations will want us in their ports, for one. A vaccinated crew and passengers would help port authorities in other, small island nations, justify opening their borders. The bubble models in Europe are interesting if we can get things under control again.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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sullivan.kscott said:
I agree, and doubt that cruises take off from 12/1 like currently scheduled. This at least allows the industry to meaningfully set protocols, and “get to the table” for conversations. The same reasons people were shouting for at least guidance from Newsom for theme parks apply here, as well.
We’ll probably need to wait at this point for widespread vaccine distribution, and mandatory vaccinations for cruisers 12+ (or whatever age has safety data). Don’t get started on choice. I mean, getting on the ship is a choice; following the ticket contract (easily updated for this) isn’t. Nations will want us in their ports, for one. A vaccinated crew and passengers would help port authorities in other, small island nations, justify opening their borders. The bubble models in Europe are interesting if we can get things under control again.
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Cruise ships and theme parks are two total different things!!! It’s been proven that we can safely open and run theme parks and if you are in a theme park and feel unsafe, you can leave!

There is no reason DLR is still closed except politics.

On a ship you are a captive! And if a case is discovered on a ship, both sick and well are held on the ship until they figure out their next move. I feel safe at a theme park, but a cruise ship scares me. COVID aside, we have seen cruise ships get infected with various sicknesses.

In my opinion, cruise ships are floating COVID hot spots waiting to happen.

In my opinion, before cruise ships are allowed to operate, there must be a vaccine, and you should be required to provide proof of COVID vaccination before being allowed to board a cruise ship.
 
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