Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

tbh I still can't believe we are debating masks. (we as a nation)

Me either.

 

[lazyboy97o]

tbh I still can't believe we are debating masks. (we as a nation)

The government and private businesses have a right to know who you are and your whereabouts. They have invested millions in facial recognition and other technologies to surveil and track us, we must support them in this and continue to break down any notions of privacy.

 

[GimpYancIent]

The government and private businesses have a right to know who you are and your whereabouts. They have invested millions in facial recognition and other technologies to surveil and track us, we must support them in this and continue to break down any notions of privacy.

Did you write the book 1984?

 

[Chi84]

Enough with the magic masks. There has been a mask mandate in California since June 19th. Has the spread stopped there or been suppressed?

We've had a mask mandate in Illinois since May 1. There's no way to tell if or how well they worked in offices and other workplaces, but I believe they help to some extent, even if it's just to lessen the amount of virus being transmitted person to person. One problem I've noted since the beginning of the mandate is that people do not wear the masks correctly.

From what I see, there is very high compliance with mask-wearing in places like stores, where people rarely spend enough time to actually become infected. I suspect the real issue is with non-compliance in workplaces that are not open to the public and in homes. This is probably where the greatest spread is occurring. I wish there was greater emphasis on stressing the danger of indoor gatherings and listing the types of precautions people should be taking if they are gathering indoors. I believe adhering to those precautions would help, but all we hear is "wear a mask," with no additional information or guidance.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

tbh I still can't believe we are debating masks. (we as a nation)

I saw multiple people the other day wearing masks, but not covering their nose.

Getting them to wear the mask is only step 1, unfortunately.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

From what I see, there is very high compliance with mask-wearing in places like stores, where people rarely spend enough time to actually become infected. I suspect the real issue is with non-compliance in workplaces that are not open to the public and in homes. This is probably where the greatest spread is occurring. I wish there was greater emphasis on stressing the danger of indoor gatherings and listing the types of precautions people should be taking if they are gathering indoors.

The biggest spreader events have been private and public gatherings (weddings, parties), workplaces (including restaurant staff socializing before and after shifts) and schools where people are mixing and mingling for an extended period of time AND not wearing a mask.

 

[ABQ]

The Sturgis Bike Rally ended on 8/16. Do you have another explanation for the rise in cases starting at the end of August in both North and South Dakota? Seems very much like an Occam's Razor situation to me.

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Not looking to jump in, but as someone living in a state that has been handled 180degrees opposite to how SD has, and did not have a bike rally, but does have a very similar demographic, why is my state ahead if SD in both cases and worse, deaths. But again, see a massive spike and with no super spreader events and far more strick lock down practices.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Enough with the magic masks. There has been a mask mandate in California since June 19th. Has the spread stopped there or been suppressed?

There are speed limit mandates in every state. Has that stopped speeding?

 

[GimpYancIent]

I saw multiple people the other day wearing masks, but not covering their nose.

Getting them to wear the mask is only step 1, unfortunately.

 

[GoofGoof]

We've had a mask mandate in Illinois since May 1. There's no way to tell if or how well they worked in offices and other workplaces, but I believe they help to some extent, even if it's just to lessen the amount of virus being transmitted person to person. One problem I've noted since the beginning of the mandate is that people do not wear the masks correctly.

From what I see, there is very high compliance with mask-wearing in places like stores, where people rarely spend enough time to actually become infected. I suspect the real issue is with non-compliance in workplaces that are not open to the public and in homes. This is probably where the greatest spread is occurring. I wish there was greater emphasis on stressing the danger of indoor gatherings and listing the types of precautions people should be taking if they are gathering indoors. I believe adhering to those precautions would help, but all we hear is "wear a mask," with no additional information or guidance.

Masks have been highly politicized which leads to a higher level of resistance so that’s why there’s more focus on them. They are and always will be a part of the larger solution along with social distancing, proper hygiene and avoiding crowds, especially indoors. The general public seems to be more on board with masks then other restrictions but the people resisting them are highly vocal and like to make a spectical of themselves.

 

[techgeek]

There are speed limit mandates in every state. Has that stopped speeding?

@DisneyCane is on record as using his own judgment on speed limits as well as mask usage:

Do you ever exceed the posted speed limit? I do. Not egregiously, but 5-10 mph over depending on the type of road and traffic/weather conditions.

 

[hopemax]

Not looking to jump in, but as someone living in a state that has been handled 180degrees opposite to how SD has, and did not have a bike rally, but does have a very similar demographic, why is my state ahead if SD in both cases and worse, deaths. But again, see a massive spike and with no super spreader events and far more strick lock down practices.

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Looking at New Mexico, your spike seems to time up with Labor Day. Starts climbing ~ September 11th. In your state I would look at hundreds of mini-spreading family gathering events.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

GOOD LORD

 

[DisneyCane]

The Sturgis Bike Rally ended on 8/16. Do you have another explanation for the rise in cases starting at the end of August in both North and South Dakota? Seems very much like an Occam's Razor situation to me.

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The discussion which led to my post was about the risk of outdoor spread and it was suggested that the Sturgis rally was evidence of outdoor spread at the event. The article I posted disputes that. I'd have to analyze county level data and try and find contact tracing info to provide a fact based explanation to the rise in both Dakotas.

My educated guess would be that people traveling to the event in Sturgis brought the virus with them and spread it at bars and/or restaurants during stops along the way or where they were staying. I don't know if you've ever been to Sturgis (the city) or near it but there aren't enough hotel/motel rooms for everybody attending to stay in town. Even including Rapid City I don't think the area can handle all those people. So my hypothesis would be that people traveling to the rally infected workers or residents in indoor environments and those people then spread it in the community.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The discussion which led to my post was about the risk of outdoor spread and it was suggested that the Sturgis rally was evidence of outdoor spread at the event. The article I posted disputes that. I'd have to analyze county level data and try and find contact tracing info to provide a fact based explanation to the rise in both Dakotas.

My educated guess would be that people traveling to the event in Sturgis brought the virus with them and spread it at bars and/or restaurants during stops along the way or where they were staying. I don't know if you've ever been to Sturgis (the city) or near it but there aren't enough hotel/motel rooms for everybody attending to stay in town. Even including Rapid City I don't think the area can handle all those people. So my hypothesis would be that people traveling to the rally infected workers or residents in indoor environments and those people then spread it in the community.

The meeting in the Rose Garden at the White House is also evidence of outdoor spread.

 

[DisneyCane]

How would we know how many cases there would have been without it? Nobody is saying masks mean no virus, they are just one part of the solution.

We wouldn't. The post I replied to pointed to masks in response to my question to the grand guru @Sirwalterraleigh about how you would stop the virus without a vaccine. While they may help somewhat in certain situations and there may be less cases due to their use, they are in no way effective enough that a nationwide mask mandate would have been a viable plan to stop the spread (not slow, not reduce, but stop) without a vaccine.

 

[DisneyCane]

The meeting in the Rose Garden at the White House is also evidence of outdoor spread.

No it isn't. Find the picture that the NY Times (I think it was them) posted where they showed the crowd in black and white and colorized the people who ended up testing positive. Many weren't seated anywhere near each other and President Trump wasn't near any of them at the outdoor event.

It is likely that those people were together indoors for a meal and/or meetings before or after the outdoor event.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

We wouldn't. The post I replied to said pointed to masks in response to my question to the grand guru @Sirwalterraleigh about how you would stop the virus without a vaccine. While they may help somewhat in certain situations and there may be less cases due to their use, they are in no way effective enough that a nationwide mask mandate would have been a viable plan to stop the spread (not slow, not reduce, but stop) without a vaccine.

Not a single person here has posited that masks would STOP virus spread. Everyone here has consistently been using words like reduce, limit, etc.

 

[GoofGoof]

We wouldn't. The post I replied to said pointed to masks in response to my question to the grand guru @Sirwalterraleigh about how you would stop the virus without a vaccine. While they may help somewhat in certain situations and there may be less cases due to their use, they are in no way effective enough that a nationwide mask mandate would have been a viable plan to stop the spread (not slow, not reduce, but stop) without a vaccine.

Thats the problem though. Your answer is if something doesn’t result in zero cases it doesn‘t work. If people followed what was required, not just masks but everything, the cases could be slowed a lot more which would have been great for the economy. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is a pointless discussion. We didn’t and now the vaccine is the only hope.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Not a single person here has posited that masks would STOP virus spread. Everyone here has consistently been using words like reduce, limit, etc.

We will never actually know if masks can stop the spread because not enough people will ever comply.

Interestingly enough, many of the European countries facing drastic spikes are facing them after letting up on mask requirements.