DisneyCane
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That's why I said "hopefully."
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If the virus hadn't been made into a political campaign of denial, we wouldn't be 2000 pages in.
GimpYancIent
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I have said it before that this thread has legs. Very entertaining.
GoofGoof
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Yes, agreed. People can look at X number of positive cases and feel that’s positive or negative based on what their individual interpretation of what’s a good or bad number. Same with percent positive, total tests performed, etc... I’m fine with that and that’s the point of a discussion board. Someone says “I think X is a good number because...blah blah blah“ and then someone posts a counter that they disagree because “I look at it this way instead”. It’s when someone decides that the data or facts are flawed or purposely misrepresented because they don’t support their narrative that I find fault. An error in reporting can happen and if they tell you there was an error and fix it the next day I don‘t see that as some sort of evidence of corruption or lack of truth in the data reporting or a good excuse to ignore available data.
Anyone claiming to have all the answers with Covid is kidding themselves. I have pretty strong opinions on what I think should be happening but I have no idea if what I’m proposing/supporting would actually work or not. Nobody does. Best we can do is take all of the facts and data available and attempt to draw conclusions. It’s not surprising we all have different interpretations and draw different conclusions.
hopemax
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Yeah, but some people care for more than just themself. With 7+ billion people or 330 million, 1% is a lot.
Yes, it’s entertaining to watch stupidity continue to stupid. I’d call it devastating.
GimpYancIent
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Don't be so hard on yourself. Yes, even you are entertaining.
Miss Bella
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I don’t think the moderators want us bringing up politics.
Heppenheimer
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Q&A: Where Are We in the COVID-19 Vaccine Race?
Drugmakers and research centers around the world are working on COVID-19 vaccines, with large global trials of several of the candidates involving tens of thousands of participants well underway.
www.medscape.com
Looks like Pfizer will probably start to review their trial data by the end of the month. Get your popcorn, because that's when the real fight starts in this thread (and the sister thread over in the politics forums should get even more interesting).
GoofGoof
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We all want out of this mess. We all know that a vaccine is the quickest and easiest way out. Nobody should be opposed to it. Lay your politics aside and do what’s best for every one. I can’t understand how anyone would be opposed to a vaccine if it’s deemed safe and effective. There should be no argument, just celebration.Q&A: Where Are We in the COVID-19 Vaccine Race?
Drugmakers and research centers around the world are working on COVID-19 vaccines, with large global trials of several of the candidates involving tens of thousands of participants well underway.www.medscape.com
Looks like Pfizer will probably start to review their trial data by the end of the month. Get your popcorn, because that's when the real fight starts in this thread (and the sister thread over in the politics forums should get even more interesting).
matt9112
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Good luck....people attach vaccine development and its fast track status that is a product of inherently cost prohibitive practices during "virus peacetime" as some kind of political agenda thing when in reality its science putting so much effort into one task and companies consequently wanting them sweet sweet dollar bills.
sullyinMT
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Especially after the recent updates to the review process. It’s definitely a balancing act between two times being of the essence, but we’ll have a good bit of data by the time we get to November. Enough for most, I hope.
Heppenheimer
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I don't expect much fight (here, at least) on the merits of a vaccine, once approved. I suspect, however, that this will trigger a battle on how fast to move towards a return to normal, pre-COVID everyday life. Heck, we don't even have a vaccine yet, cases are surging in the Midwest and look at the arguments here for or against travel quarantines and other restrictions.
DisneyCane
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It's under 1% and you're assuming 100% of people get it. Also, my position of caring has always been about trade-offs and the detrimental effects on the 7.7 billion+ people (even using the 100% get it assumption) that are not killed by it. I don't want to start arguing about that again but I had to respond to the implication that I don't care about anybody except for myself.
DisneyCane
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The answer to how fast is that once the vaccine is available to anybody that wants it there should no longer be any restrictions. Yes, some people will still contract it because the vaccine won't be 100% effective but I would expect that the level of herd immunity developed by people taking the vaccine will keep the case numbers lower than they are currently after going back to normal.
ImperfectPixie
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That's part of the puzzle...it's going to take time to get to the point where anyone who wants a vaccine is able to get it. From what I recall, the estimate was ~6 months.
TrainsOfDisney
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Are you watching what’s happening in Europe? If that’s coming to the USA things aren’t going to be pretty. :-/
GoofGoof
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Yeah, agreed that part is going to be an issue. Once the vaccine is approved it will take quite some time to vaccinate everyone. I think there’s an element of society who will want to remove all restrictions as soon as the vaccine is approved. Realistically it will probably need to be more based on number of cases and statistics vs just having the vaccine available. In theory once enough people get vaccinated the virus will not be able to spread and will decline in the community. Then we remove restrictions. So for example if people start getting vaccinated in January but it takes 12 months to vaccinate everyone who wants a vaccine we don’t remove restrictions in Jan when the first person gets poked but we also don’t need to wait until December when everyone who wants it has it. We probably can start removing restrictions sometime in the middle when we hit the tipping point on new infection declines. What will be interesting is depending on how well the vaccine is received in different areas it may actually be that some states or regions remove restrictions faster than others. It could be a mess.
GoofGoof
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I don’t think we have to wait that long necessarily. If it takes 6-12 months for a full vaccine roll out we may see results before the full 12 months that could start the process of removing restrictions. At least I’m hopeful that happens. If not you could be right and it may take a lot longer.
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