Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

PA has same restriction as NY but it’s not based on where you fly from. People can ignore or just follow the requirement but if your job requires it you don’t have much of a choice but to comply. Getting fired during a pandemic and worldwide recession because you had to go to WDW doesn‘t seem like a smart move. It’s not about sneaking around it anyway. A lot of people want to actually follow the rules and wait until it’s safe. Cutting testing isn’t the answer...but we aren’t going to agree on that so no point talking about it.

PA doesn't enforce it. They just suggest it. I wouldn't tell my employer where I went.

As for the testing. I was simply stating that there is an artificial way to meet an artificial daily case average gate, not saying that they should cut testing in half.

 

[JoeCamel]

PA doesn't enforce it. They just suggest it. I wouldn't tell my employer where I went.

As for the testing. I was simply stating that there is an artificial way to meet an artificial daily case average gate, not saying that they should cut testing in half.

So if people should not do what the suggestions from the experts are they should just avoid it? How does that help?

 

[wdisney9000]

My bad. I'm just going mad reading the forums here in the last few months. I might take a breather for some time.

Reading and participating in an online forum makes you go mad? It's just words on a screen. Most of it is people pretending to be Doctors or chart and graph experts. It's laughable.

Yes this!

Nobody is locked down, we can do anything we want. I don’t get the people complaining.

Who was complaining?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Reading and participating in an online forum makes you go mad? It's just words on a screen. Most of it is people pretending to be Doctors or chart and graph experts. It's laughable.

Who was complaining?

Agreed. A lot of posts are laughable.

 

[danlb_2000]

Happened this summer with Delaware. They were on both NJ and PA lists and many people in both states have beach houses in Delaware or visit their shore towns in the summer. Local businesses and mayors were not happy the states put them on the list.

I am in NJ and have an employee who lives in Delaware, so we don't know week to week if he can come into the office or not.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

News on Soul going direct to Disney+

Some great news!

 

[danlb_2000]

PA doesn't enforce it. They just suggest it. I wouldn't tell my employer where I went.

As for the testing. I was simply stating that there is an artificial way to meet an artificial daily case average gate, not saying that they should cut testing in half.

Unless you are a really private person, there is a chance someone in your company will find out and that information may make it to HR.

 

[GoofGoof]

PA doesn't enforce it. They just suggest it. I wouldn't tell my employer where I went.

As for the testing. I was simply stating that there is an artificial way to meet an artificial daily case average gate, not saying that they should cut testing in half.

PA is no different than NY/NJ. It’s required not suggested. Nobody is enforcing it. They don’t station a cop at your front door making sure you don’t come out for 14 days. Most people can’t pull off lying. Social media for one. If you are on social media at all there‘s no way you go somewhere and nobody knows. Besides that your co-workers are going to ask where you are going too. You could lie to your employer, lie to your co-workers and make sure your kids lie to their friends too because they can’t go back to school either before quarantining. That’s a lot of lying to circumvent rules implemented to keep everyone safe. I live here and I’m telling you quite a few people I know cancelled trips due to the quarantine rules. I only know of 1 person personally who went somewhere on the list and didn’t follow the rules. It’s definitely a problem for a place like WDW.

The gate has been the same since they set the requirements. You have to pick a metric so if that makes it artificial than any metric is artificial. The states in the Northeast have set metrics based on actual statistics not politics. When CA was spiking it was on the list right next to Texas. Only FL had a politically driven travel ban targeted at specific states instead of using statistics.

 

[GoofGoof]

I am in NJ and have an employee who lives in Delaware, so we don't know week to week if he can come into the office or not.

My company has an office in NJ and one in Houston so in March the NJ workers were banned from traveling to TX due to the spike in cases here. Then by the summer it flipped and now the TX workers are still not allowed to come to NJ. It’s probably best if nobody travels right now anyway, we’re getting things done remotely. I still have flight credits from my cancelled trip in March. I missed out on the big rodeo...maybe by this March it will be back.

 

[Lilofan]

Kudos to NBA Houston Rockets player Russell Westbrook who stayed in the NBA bubble. He left the Grand Floridian housekeepers a $8K tip !

 

[MisterPenguin]

Kudos to NBA Houston Rockets player Russell Westbrook. He left the Grand Floridian housekeepers a $8K tip !

And apparently, a lot of players left a lot of the stuff they bought and had shipped to their rooms for the mousekeepers.

In the same way I generously leave unopened tubs of yogurt for them in the fridge!!

 

[techgeek]

PA doesn't enforce it. They just suggest it. I wouldn't tell my employer where I went.

“A lock does no more then keep an honest man, honest.”

So, at this point, if WDW has found its park capacity which has passed the tipping point of a distanced-reduced ride where anywhere from 30-60% of its capacity has been cut by COVID protocols, then any further increase in park capacity is going to lead to huge lines.

One ‘tipping point’ I foresee being a challenge may be park entry / rope drop / park exit flow, especially at MK. There’s shockingly low TTC>MK>TTC capacity with distancing the way it’s currently implemented on ferries and rails.

In the AM, this can be managed effectively by pulsing traffic into parking to even flow, which is something we saw them play with early on that to my knowledge hasn’t really been used to manage entry crowds on a regular basis.

PM park exit is different, though. Many more people trying to leave all within the same hour of park close may lead to a socially distanced exit line spilling back down Main Street. There’s only so much space in the entry plaza to spread people out.

At some point not to far above where we are now, it won’t matter what is done to manage crowds in the park itself... the bottleneck will be getting them out at the end of the day.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

“A lock does no more then keep an honest man, honest.”



One ‘tipping point’ I foresee being a challenge may be park entry / rope drop / park exit flow, especially at MK. There’s shockingly low TTC>MK>TTC capacity with distancing the way it’s currently implemented on ferries and rails.

In the AM, this can be managed effectively by pulsing traffic into parking to even flow, which is something we saw them play with early on that to my knowledge hasn’t really been used to manage entry crowds on a regular basis.

PM park exit is different, though. Many more people trying to leave all within the same hour of park close may lead to a socially distanced exit line spilling back down Main Street. There’s only so much space in the entry plaza to spread people out.

At some point not to far above where we are now, it won’t matter what is done to manage crowds in the park itself... the bottleneck will be getting them out at the end of the day.

Are they running ttc busses? With fewer resorts, they could use one whole side of the bus terminal kinda like they do for New Year’s Eve when they need the space to hold people.

 

[DCBaker]

Are they running ttc busses? With fewer resorts, they could use one whole side of the bus terminal kinda like they do for New Year’s Eve when they need the space to hold people.

They were running busses at the TTC this morning.

 

[Miss Bella]

Yes this!

Nobody is locked down, we can do anything we want. I don’t get the people complaining.

What world are you living in? I would make a list of all the things we cant do, but my fingers would go numb from typing.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What world are you living in? I would make a list of all the things we cant do, but my fingers would go numb from typing.

you’ve been very critical of the current restrictions but I’m not sure what you think the solution is?

You think that every country should have it’s borders open with all bars, movie theaters, etc. open as usual?

Or everything open but with some restrictions?

Or?

 

[DisneyCane]

That’s a lot of lying to circumvent rules implemented to keep everyone safe.

These rules are all based on the premise that a high percentage of people from "hot spots" are infected and contagious. Thanks to the University of Miami, there is some really good data from a "hot spot." The University is located in Miami-Dade County which is, by far, the hottest spot in Florida. The total cases in the county are extremely disproportionate to the population as a percentage of Florida.

Beginning on 9/15, the University of Miami has required testing once every two weeks of everybody (students, faculty, staff, etc.) who goes onto campus. They publish all of their COVID data and it gives a very good picture since everybody is being tested frequently. Essentially, it should be roughly similar to the results you'd get if you tested the entire population in the area.

From 9/15 through today, they have reported the results of 14,475 tests and 101 were positive (0.70%).

8855 of the tests were performed in the last 14 days so that gives a good approximation about the population size. There are currently 35 "active" cases. Therefore, 0.395% of the population sample has an active infection and may be contagious. I say "may be contagious" because epidemiologists don't believe that somebody is contagious for the entire time they are infected.

A population sample from a hot spot in a "quarantine list" state indicates that over 99.5% of the population is NOT infected, NOT contagious and NOT a risk to anybody's "safety."

In the case of an environment like WDW (or DL), it shows that the chance of coming into contact with an infected person in an environment where transmission is likely is miniscule. With the protocols in place, it becomes even more miniscule.

 

[Miss Bella]

you’ve been very critical of the current restrictions but I’m not sure what you think the solution is?

You think that every country should have it’s borders open with all bars, movie theaters, etc. open as usual?

Or everything open but with some restrictions?

Or?

You are the one that made the statement "we can do anything we want". I don't think anyone on this forum would agree with that statement.

 

[techgeek]

These rules are all based on the premise that a high percentage of people from "hot spots" are infected and contagious.

Do you take it upon yourself to 'interpret' the rules in every aspect of your life, or just the ones related to a worldwide pandemic?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You are the one that made the statement "we can do anything we want". I don't think anyone on this forum would agree with that statement.

I’m trying to see where your standing is because we may agree.