ImperfectPixie
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Someone who has one or more pre-existing conditions who doesn't carefully weigh the risks/benefits is a jackass.
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Chi84
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People differ in their views of common sense. Also, if "the rules" allow Disney to open and people to attend with proper precautions, no one is disrespecting the rules by visiting Disney.
People are different in how much risk they are willing to take. Some are just naturally more cautious, others may have health or family reasons that require them to exercise more caution. That doesn't make them better at following the rules than people who are more comfortable being out and about. As long as people aren't breaking the rules set out by governments or businesses, they should feel free to do as they please without worrying about others judging them.
DisneyDebRob
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Not sure I know what your trying to say.
Chomama
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Call it what you want. I think it’s obvious a lot of people (60% ish according to polls) are not comfortable traveling. That’s not going to change until the virus slows down or we get a vaccine. It doesn’t seem useful to argue about whether it is fear or wisdom stopping these people. There are clearly different points of view that aren’t changing.
GoofGoof
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As I said before I don’t care about what term you use to label it. Yes, there are people who aren’t going to theme parks because they don’t want to get Covid. Call them “afraid”, or using ”an abundance of caution” or if you are on the other side “smart”. Doesn’t really matter.
My point is that there are many people who aren’t going to a theme park for other reasons. Some don’t want to wear a mask and/or follow distancing or miss out on a lot of the stuff not currently being offered. Some people are out of work or worried about losing their job and don’t want to spend money on a vacation. Some people have a job where you have to quarantine after traveling to a hot spot and they don’t want to or can’t afford to take an extra 2 weeks off. Some people are trying to do what’s best for the overall situation so don’t want to travel to places on a “must quarantine“ list or hot spots. They aren’t necessarily worried about getting Covid themselves but just trying to do what’s best. That’s why I said most people afraid of getting Covid are likely not going to theme parks but not all people not going to theme parks are just afraid of getting Covid.
DisneyDebRob
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Exactly right. People that obey the rules set out by the government should not be judged. On the other hand I see more people judging the others that don’t want to be in those kinds of situations As afraid or fearful. Also wrong. Let’s just say do what you want and don’t judge others, that should work. Because no one here or in life knows what they need to do for what’s best for them or their family.
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BrianLo
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Indeed. Everyone who attends Disney is not a "rule breaker". But choosing to listen to a public health recommendation that individuals with X, Y and Z should likely not go (despite being free to make whatever decision they want), is neither a decision mediated by fear.
Ultimately, allowing everyone to operate with their own made up rulebook is the worst type of public health management in a Pandemic. That's a whole other black hole of a topic that has thousands of posts lamenting it.
GoofGoof
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It was not against any rules to visit WDW. However, in many states including PA where I live the governor and various health officials urged people not to travel to hot spots this summer unless they had to and if they did to make sure they followed all safety precautions and quarantined for 14 days on return to PA. So while that wasn’t a law and you weren’t in violation of any rule for going to FL you were doing something against health department recommendations. It’s a grey area, some people would say it’s not against the firm rules so it’s not an issue and others would look at that and think going would be against the common good. If everyone who came back quarantined for 14 days it wouldn’t be as much of an issue but many people ignored that recommendation too. They aren’t locking people up for not quarantining. Here’s just one example of how they were recommending not traveling to hot spots but not prohibiting it.
New Bucks Co. Coronavirus Cases Linked To Myrtle Beach Travel
More than 100 new infections were reported in Bucks Co. over the past 4 days, with nearly half of them in those who traveled out of state.
patch.com
Chi84
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It says to "think twice" and if you have to go "be smart." The thing about half-hearted recommendations like the one here is that people figure if government officials are not taking them all that seriously, neither will they. If people are given a choice, they will make their own assessment of the risk and act according to their own judgment. That's the tough part about living in society - people don't think alike. Labeling some "fearful" and others "selfish" may be satisfying to some, but I personally find it counterproductive and discourteous.It was not against any rules to visit WDW. However, in many states including PA where I live the governor and various health officials urged people not to travel to hot spots this summer unless they had to and if they did to make sure they followed all safety precautions and quarantined for 14 days on return to PA. So while that wasn’t a law and you weren’t in violation of any rule for going to FL you were doing something against health department recommendations. It’s a grey area, some people would say it’s not against the firm rules so it’s not an issue and others would look at that and think going would be against the common good. If everyone who came back quarantined for 14 days it wouldn’t be as much of an issue but many people ignored that recommendation too. They aren’t locking people up for not quarantining. Here’s just one example of how they were recommending not traveling to hot spots but not prohibiting it.
New Bucks Co. Coronavirus Cases Linked To Myrtle Beach Travel
More than 100 new infections were reported in Bucks Co. over the past 4 days, with nearly half of them in those who traveled out of state.
GoofGoof
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In this case I don’t believe it’s legal for a state to make it against the law to travel to another state. The best they can do is recommend not doing it. My only point is if I see that, for me personally I am not going to go because I want to follow the health department recommendations. I know that if I choose to go it’s not against the law but I’m not holding back for fear of arrest or fine. I’m honestly trying to do what’s best for the everyone. In that case I’d say I’m not avoiding a state or a theme park because I’m afraid to get Covid, I’m avoiding a state because I want to follow the recommendations put out there.
Miss Bella
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There are thousand of reasons not to got to WDW Covid or no Covid. I have family that wouldn’t go to WDW pre Covid if Disney paid them to go.
Miss Bella
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There is no rule that says we can’t go to a theme parks.
GoofGoof
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Of course. I was just talking about reasons related to Covid.
_caleb
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Don’t you think the public would care a bit more when it’s a theme park opening in a pandemic to welcome thousands of guests?
_caleb
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What if you’re not going because You don’t want to give the virus to others? What’s that called?
Miss Bella
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In the original discussion I said ”some” people followed up by a “percentage“ of people are afraid to go to WDW. I never said “all” people that don’t go are afraid. For whatever reason and only you know why. Some of you took that personally to imply that you were afraid. Why is that.
Miss Bella
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More than Walmart, Costco or some other essential business that welcomes thousands of guests?
Miss Bella
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What if they carefully weigh the risks and benefits and decide the benefits outweigh the risks are they still a jackass?
Chi84
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That’s fine as long as we acknowledge that reasonable people can have a valid difference of opinion on what’s best for everyone. I won’t go to WDW as long as masks are required - that’s a sensible decision for me, personally. But if Disney is open with specified regulations and people want to go, I wouldn’t feel comfortable saying they are disregarding what’s best for everyone.
The law may have its limits, but it’s the only certain way to regulate our relationships with others.
danlb_2000
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