Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Exact quote from Fauci:

'I was under general anesthesia in the operating room and was not part of any discussion or deliberation regarding the new testing recommendations,' Fauci said to CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta on Wednesday.


The quote from the spokesperson:
“A spokesperson from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which Fauci leads, said that Fauci recalled "quickly reviewing a version of the guidelines" that had circulated previously. "At the time he was not struck by the potential implications of this particular change in the version he reviewed," the spokesperson said.

Further details on the previously circulated guidelines:
The idea for the new CDC guidelines was first raised by Redfield a month earlier, back when a surge in COVID-19 cases strained the nation's testing resources and experts were looking for a way to curb excessive testing. Back then, Redfield suggested the CDC relax on testing guidelines to not waste tests on healthy individuals who do not experience any COVID-19 symptoms, two sources said.

So back when the surge happened and there was a lack of testing available they kicked around an idea to revising guidelines to free up more testing capacity. At the time no change in guidelines occurred and then last week after the surge has started to decline and there’s less of an issue with available tests they decided to go forward with the old plan and didn’t include Fauci on the decision since he was having surgery.

Pretty straight forward situation to understand. Nobody can still explain why it would be a good idea to change those guidelines or why it went forward. Now there’s an attempt at some sort of cover for it by claiming Fauci approved it. That’s just political nonsense designed to deflect attention away from the real issue that a decision was made with no support or background given and no basis in science. I can’t say why the move was made. There’s some obvious possible reasons that have been thrown out there but no proof of anything. The fact that the change has been walked back is further proof that it had no basis in science and no good reason to do it.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
mmascari said:
We've chosen a policy of "slow" instead of "containment"
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I think this has been confusing for some, or for many. In the earlier months, we sort of dithered back and forth between these two general policies for a while (at least that is how it feels to me). Even though it was "slow the spread" guidelines, that isn't necessarily what the states were doing.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
GoofGoof said:
Exact quote from Fauci:

'I was under general anesthesia in the operating room and was not part of any discussion or deliberation regarding the new testing recommendations,' Fauci said to CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta on Wednesday.


The quote from the spokesperson:
“A spokesperson from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which Fauci leads, said that Fauci recalled "quickly reviewing a version of the guidelines" that had circulated previously. "At the time he was not struck by the potential implications of this particular change in the version he reviewed," the spokesperson said.

Further details on the previously circulated guidelines:
The idea for the new CDC guidelines was first raised by Redfield a month earlier, back when a surge in COVID-19 cases strained the nation's testing resources and experts were looking for a way to curb excessive testing. Back then, Redfield suggested the CDC relax on testing guidelines to not waste tests on healthy individuals who do not experience any COVID-19 symptoms, two sources said.

So back when the surge happened and there was a lack of testing available they kicked around an idea to revising guidelines to free up more testing capacity. At the time no change in guidelines occurred and then last week after the surge has started to decline and there’s less of an issue with available tests they decided to go forward with the old plan and didn’t include Fauci on the decision since he was having surgery.

Pretty straight forward situation to understand. Nobody can still explain why it would be a good idea to change those guidelines or why it went forward. Now there’s an attempt at some sort of cover for it by claiming Fauci approved it. That’s just political nonsense designed to deflect attention away from the real issue that a decision was made with no support or background given and no basis in science. I can’t say why the move was made. There’s some obvious possible reasons that have been thrown out there but no proof of anything. The fact that the change has been walked back is further proof that it had no basis in science and no good reason to do it.
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Seems like Fauci is one trying to save face. An attempt to distance himself from the decision making process after it was questioned. He reviewed it, quickly or not, and had no issue. Brett Giroir also said he was part of the decision making process. So lets not pretend he had no idea what was going on. They didn't just throw this together when he was in surgery. I get it though. He has a reputation to protect. And many people who put him up on a pedestal want to protect that reputation as well. At the end of the day, this is a team sport. There were different scientists, experts, and doctors involved in this. If they made a mistake, then they made a mistake. Just own it. That is fine. But no one should be given cover. Everyone now seems to want to save face, including Fauci. Testing will continue, as it should.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Andrew C said:
Seems like Fauci is one trying to save face. An attempt to distance himself from the decision making process after it was questioned. He reviewed it, quickly or not, and had no issue. Brett Giroir also said he was part of the decision making process. So lets not pretend he had no idea what was going on. They didn't just throw this together when he was in surgery. I get it though. He has a reputation to protect. And many people who put him up on a pedestal want to protect that reputation as well. At the end of the day, this is a team sport. There were different scientists, experts, and doctors involved in this. If they made a mistake, then they made a mistake. Just own it. That is fine. But no one should be given cover. Everyone now seems to want to save face, including Fauci. Testing will continue, as it should.
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The Fauci thing is nothing more than a distraction to deflect attention from the bigger issue. Instead of focusing on whether Fauci is flat out lying or not shouldn‘t the bigger question be why make this change and why now? Even if Fauci was on board that‘s certainly not an explanation for why it makes sense.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
GoofGoof said:
The Fauci thing is nothing more than a distraction to deflect attention from the bigger issue. Instead of focusing on whether Fauci is flat out lying or not shouldn‘t the bigger question be why make this change and why now? Even if Fauci was on board that‘s certainly not an explanation for why it makes sense.
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I don't believe I initially brought up Fauci, but I responded to a post about him. If people don't want to talk about Fauci in the context of this decision, don't bring him up. My position since yesterday was below. My goal over the last day or so was to learn more about it. Today, I do feel like I align with Fauci around the change being misinterpreted. From my personal perspective, I think it was blown out of proportion and was more about ensuring we are giving top priority to the appropriate areas, individuals, etc. Now, I am a bit confused as to why that would have been necessary. People have said today we do not have enough testing. However, in my state, it seems we have additional capacity that is not being utilized at the moment. Basically, not enough people are coming forward to be tested. Is this a good sign..maybe? And outside of my state, I don't have too much information on what testing capacity looks like today. My impression was, at the moment, the main issue is more around contact tracing rather than testing.

Andrew C said:
I really don’t have a firm position on the matter.
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JohnD

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Andrew C said:
I thought you were going to transcribe it?!
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Well, at least FL Channel provided close captions. My nit is that their "full screen" is a larger box at the top with captions underneath rather than the video going to the entire width of the screen. Also, maybe it's my computer but the video freezes from time to time. Finally, there is an open mic somewhere as continual thumping is heard throughout the whole video. Very annoying. More noticeable wearing headphones, as I'm doing right now. WARNING: At 48:04, an annoying "Toothsome" chocolate character shows up offering the roundtable chocolate shakes.
 
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mmascari

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Andrew C said:
I think this has been confusing for some, or for many. In the earlier months, we sort of dithered back and forth between these two general policies for a while (at least that is how it feels to me). Even though it was "slow the spread" guidelines, that isn't necessarily what the states were doing.
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It's definitely been confusing for some, both with the goals and what different actions are targeted at doing. It doesn't help that many people like to look at it with one definition, one set of tools, one goal that should have been the one answer from day one until today. But, that's not how these things work. Conditions and actions, along with the goal changes over time.

In the beginning, or really anytime there is rampant uncontrolled spread, or large unknown spread. Actions and direction is designed to slow the spread. Either drastically slow or more targeted slowing, depending on the exact conditions. That's not really a final solution though, it's just to buy time. Once some manner of community spread control and reduction has happened, the goal should transform from slowing to containing.

The way we open up the entire economy where the prior consumer demand returns is by having the virus contained. If we had containment now, we would all be back at WDW and nobody would need a mask.

But, if all we ever do is slow down the spread, we'll never get back open. People will continue to do things on their own to avoid being infected. At least enough will to continue to depress consumer demand for things that carry various amounts of risk.

I think the one thing we can all agree on, at least in this thread, is that a high percent positivity means we do not have a handle on community spread, we don't know where the virus is and how it's moving around. After that, there's lots of different opinions on how to slow or reduce the spread, how low it should be to return to normal, or even how low is possible.
 
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"MGM Resorts International said Friday it is sending separation letters to 18,000 U.S. employees who were furloughed during the coronavirus pandemic, making their job cuts permanent for now.

MGM’s Empire City remains closed in New York state, as does its Park MGM in Las Vegas. Casinos in Las Vegas, where MGM has an outsized presence on the Strip, continue to be especially affected by declines in tourism and travel, restrictions on capacity, the lack of fans at sports events, and negligible conference and group business.

At the start of this year, the company employed 70,000 workers in the U.S."

"The casino company plans to keep recalling additional workers as it reopens properties and adds amenities."

"The company said it will extend health benefits for furloughed employees until Sept. 30. It’s promising workers who are recalled before the end of the year that they will retain their seniority. "

 
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