Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GimpYancIent]

Numbers are starting to look good on the new case front, as stated death is a lagging indicator. It tells you how bad the last 2 months has been. Hopefully it starts moving down soon, but with how long Florida takes to report deaths, who knows.

Why this focus on death rates? Media and conversations emphasize the death rates! Depending on the medical statistic source, be it a medical authority, institution or government entity, 98% to 99.8% of the people that get infected with COVID19 survive, recover, resolve (whatever term you want to use). It is sad some people die due to this illness, wish no one would die, but to stoke this high level of fear making it sound as if COVID19 = a death sentence is just wrong. With common sense, proper hygiene and social practices this illness can be dealt with and some emphasis on survival rates rather than death rates would further be helpful.

 

[JoeCamel]

Why this focus on death rates? Media and conversations emphasize the death rates! Depending on the medical statistic source, be it a medical authority, institution or government entity, 98% to 99.8% of the people that get infected with COVID19 survive, recover, resolve (whatever term you want to use). It is sad some people die due to this illness, wish no one would die, but to stoke this high level of fear making it sound as if COVID19 = a death sentence is just wrong. With common sense, proper hygiene and social practices this illness can be dealt with and some emphasis on survival rates rather than death rates would further be helpful.

Death is kinda final, if you survive you have a chance to move on. Death kinda kills that chance.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Why this focus on death rates? Media and conversations emphasize the death rates! Depending on the medical statistic source, be it a medical authority, institution or government entity, 98% to 99.8% of the people that get infected with COVID19 survive, recover, resolve (whatever term you want to use). It is sad some people die due to this illness, wish no one would die, but to stoke this high level of fear making it sound as if COVID19 = a death sentence is just wrong. With common sense, proper hygiene and social practices this illness can be dealt with and some emphasis on survival rates rather than death rates would further be helpful.

There are long-term consequences to COVID that are popping up in people who were thought to have recovered.

 

[Ben_since_1971]

Why this focus on death rates? Media and conversations emphasize the death rates! Depending on the medical statistic source, be it a medical authority, institution or government entity, 98% to 99.8% of the people that get infected with COVID19 survive, recover, resolve (whatever term you want to use). It is sad some people die due to this illness, wish no one would die, but to stoke this high level of fear making it sound as if COVID19 = a death sentence is just wrong. With common sense, proper hygiene and social practices this illness can be dealt with and some emphasis on survival rates rather than death rates would further be helpful.

Death sells clicks. "If it bleeds it leads". "Cases up over 16 million!!!" gets more clicks than "Daily positive percent rate dropping".

 

[Buried20KLeague]

What possible incentive can beat the allure of being packed with way too many people into a smelly, poorly ventilated 1970s apartment, loud music drowning out any chance of decent conversation, while drinking too much warm, flat Busch Lite from a plastic cup?

Granted, I graduated from that school over 20 years ago, so maybe things have changed. But for at least a generation, that seemed to be the midwestern Irish Catholic idea of a fun party.

It seems you're forgetting the primary motivator for those 19-22 year olds with raging hormones hours away from parents (some for the first time) to be at the party in the first place.

College spread will be harder to contain and spread faster than middle schools and high schools.

 

[dreday3]

There are long-term consequences to COVID that are popping up in people who were thought to have recovered.

That's actually true of any virus.
It's just new to this virus because the virus is, well, new.

Once we have true data in a few years, I think the rate of long-term consequences will even out to be the same as many viruses - which isn't a high incidence rate.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

That's actually true of any virus.
It's just new to this virus because the virus is, well, new.

Once we have true data in a few years, I think the rate of long-term consequences will even out to be the same as many viruses.

The reaction of the medical community to the long-term consequences they're seeing says they aren't typical.

 

[dreday3]

The reaction of the medical community to the long-term consequences they're seeing says they aren't typical.

They won't know anything for a few years. They won't know the percentage of those afflicted with long-term effects until we get a true picture of how many people have actually been infected with Covid. If we ever can figure that out.
Anyone who is making statements of absolutes really shouldn't be. The virus is still incredibly new.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

They won't know anything for a few years. They won't know the percentage of those afflicted with long-term effects until we get a true picture of how many people have actually been infected with Covid. If we ever can figure that out.
Anyone who is making statements of absolutes really shouldn't be. The virus is still incredibly new.

 

[techgeek]

It's been said before, but it can not be overstated how critical business travel is for WDW and to greater Orlando itself. Great quick read published today with an overview of how things are looking in the convention and meeting space:

Will Conventions, Exhibitions, Conferences & Other Business Events Become Permanent Casualties Of The Pandemic

There’s growing reason to think that the loss of all that direct economic impact... will be a long-lingering, even hallmark effect of the pandemic.

www.forbes.com

 

[Jedijax719]

Not sure if Florida is doing the same but.......

Texas is not tracking coronavirus data in the classroom as schools reopen

At this time, the Texas Education Agency has not determined if it will collect COVID-19 data from schools.

www.kbtx.com

 

[MissingDisney]

Not sure if Florida is doing the same but.......

Texas is not tracking coronavirus data in the classroom as schools reopen

At this time, the Texas Education Agency has not determined if it will collect COVID-19 data from schools.

www.kbtx.com

Why would they want to track something they don’t want to know OR be held accountable for? If asked a point blank question when there’s a problem, it’s way easier ...and not a lie....to say “yeah, we don’t track that so I can’t answer you...”

 

[Jedijax719]

Why would they want to track something they don’t want to know OR be held accountable for? If asked a point blank question when there’s a problem, it’s way easier ...and not a lie....to say “yeah, we don’t track that so I can’t answer you...”

....until cases don't get reported at all, which is what districts are being told to do by the state government. In that case, the war is on. Cases will leak to the media and when the public learns about this before parents and staff are notified, the @#$% will hit the fan! Districts are worried about funding but aren't worried about losing millions in lawsuits.

 

[MissingDisney]

....until cases don't get reported at all, which is what districts are being told to do by the state government. In that case, the war is on. Cases will leak to the media and when the public learns about this before parents and staff are notified, the @#$% will hit the fan! Districts are worried about funding but aren't worried about losing millions in lawsuits.

I think you missed the sarcasm eye roll on the post.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Why this focus on death rates? Media and conversations emphasize the death rates! Depending on the medical statistic source, be it a medical authority, institution or government entity, 98% to 99.8% of the people that get infected with COVID19 survive, recover, resolve (whatever term you want to use). It is sad some people die due to this illness, wish no one would die, but to stoke this high level of fear making it sound as if COVID19 = a death sentence is just wrong. With common sense, proper hygiene and social practices this illness can be dealt with and some emphasis on survival rates rather than death rates would further be helpful.

A relatively uncommon disease with a 98% recovery rate would be much less of a concern. But an extremely infectious disease that has the potential to infect half or more of the population without mitigation measures, if 98% of the cases recovered, that would still leave about 1.5 million people dead in the US alone. Any infectious disease that has more than a marginal death rate is likely to leave severe after effects on a significant number of the people who recover.

And I think I saw somewhere else that COVID-19 is already the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, despite essentially not existing here until March.

 

[corsairk09]

Not sure if Florida is doing the same but.......

Texas is not tracking coronavirus data in the classroom as schools reopen

At this time, the Texas Education Agency has not determined if it will collect COVID-19 data from schools.

www.kbtx.com

Teacher in Florida Here:

So in our district we refer students who we send to get tested...... or who inform us that are positive..... to the health department. The health department is responsible for tracing and reporting. This is a sticky area for schools because student privacy is crucial, and we are still bound by FERPA laws. People are understandably concerned about COVID, but I think sometimes they forget that there are other laws and rules we have to follow that are outside of and/or supersede COVID safety.


So it is no different than keeping a student's mental health information private.

 

[DCBaker]

"Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.

The club announced select fans can attend upcoming home matches against Nashville on Aug. 26, Atlanta United on Sept. 5 and Inter Miami on Sept. 12."

"Orlando City did not disclose the number of fans it will admit to the stadium for each game, although a source previously told the Orlando Sentinel the club was hoping to welcome about 30% of the stadium’s 25,500 fan capacity.

All fans in attendance will be required to wear masks at all times, except when consuming food or drinks. Fans will have their temperatures checked before entry to the stadium and must stay socially distanced from anyone outside of their party."

Orlando City to allow limited number of fans at home matches

Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic. The club announced select fans can attend upco…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[Jedijax719]

Teacher in Florida Here:

So in our district we refer students who we send to get tested...... or who inform us that are positive..... to the health department. The health department is responsible for tracing and reporting. This is a sticky area for schools because student privacy is crucial, and we are still bound by FERPA laws. People are understandably concerned about COVID, but I think sometimes they forget that there are other laws and rules we have to follow that are outside of and/or supersede COVID safety.


So it is no different than keeping a student's mental health information private.

I hear what you are saying, but in the case of COVID-19, that whole premise will explode. If there was a case of COVID-19 in a class and the students and teacher didn't know because of FERPA, the ramifications IF another case arises would be insurmountable. They don't have to release names, but they sure as hell need to release the fact that there are cases.

That is why the best practice would be to close down a school if there is a case. There-boom-you avoid FERPA issues. In a high school, if there is one case, the best and safest practice would be the quarantine anywhere from 100-600 people (every class that student has and possibly everyone who goes into that student's classroom during the day).

In other words, if there are 20 kids in each of that infected student's classes (let's say 7 classes), then ALL of them need to be quarantined. Likewise, the rooms need to be sanitized which could mean that every OTHER students that goes into each of those classes might have to be quarantined for at least a few days.

 

[Lilofan]

"Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.

The club announced select fans can attend upcoming home matches against Nashville on Aug. 26, Atlanta United on Sept. 5 and Inter Miami on Sept. 12."

"Orlando City did not disclose the number of fans it will admit to the stadium for each game, although a source previously told the Orlando Sentinel the club was hoping to welcome about 30% of the stadium’s 25,500 fan capacity.

All fans in attendance will be required to wear masks at all times, except when consuming food or drinks. Fans will have their temperatures checked before entry to the stadium and must stay socially distanced from anyone outside of their party."

Orlando City to allow limited number of fans at home matches

Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic. The club announced select fans can attend upco…

www.orlandosentinel.com

Some of the die hard supporters of Orlando FC was already masked up pre-Covid with purple bandanas covering their faces behind the goal posts.

 

[natatomic]

"Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.

The club announced select fans can attend upcoming home matches against Nashville on Aug. 26, Atlanta United on Sept. 5 and Inter Miami on Sept. 12."

"Orlando City did not disclose the number of fans it will admit to the stadium for each game, although a source previously told the Orlando Sentinel the club was hoping to welcome about 30% of the stadium’s 25,500 fan capacity.

All fans in attendance will be required to wear masks at all times, except when consuming food or drinks. Fans will have their temperatures checked before entry to the stadium and must stay socially distanced from anyone outside of their party."

Orlando City to allow limited number of fans at home matches

Orlando City will welcome a limited number of fans back to matches at Exploria Stadium for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic. The club announced select fans can attend upco…

www.orlandosentinel.com

So, like, their usual attendance numbers?