Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

A lot of the highest risk behavior can't be stopped is my point. Private parties must be topping the chart for transmission. If government steps in on private interactions, people will disobey more. I've always felt like masks are a good middle ground to open most of our economy. Until we know what specifically is causing the spread in Florida, I don't feel comfortable assuming what should be closed and shouldn't based on bias. Shutting down has huge consequences. We did the shutdown experiment. It caused harm in my opinion.

It's also normal to derive life quality from stimulating things like travel and theme parks. Judging by the number of people I've seen in all age groups following the rules in public, I'd say it's a common craving. Social creatures despair in isolation. Many introverts thrive in it. That's why we compromise by rule enforcement wherever we can. We won't be able to stop gatherings at home and I still feel like that is playing a primary transmission role.

I never said that throwing caution to the wind is okay. Living life with masks and social distancing is not doing whatever you want whenever you want. I hope that's not what you meant. I went to indoor dining and followed the rules. No regrets at all and it improved our quality of life. I respect and defend your choice to stay home more. I sheltered in place more than anyone until July. I did my part and still do. But we disagree and that's okay. I like to hear other opinions besides my own....within reason jk

Private parties can be stopped if people don’t go . We were invited to a birthday party yesterday which was at someone’s house and probably had 40 people invited. We declined, I’m sure others did too, but some probably went. Me not going didn’t actually stop the party from happening but it’s 4 less people potentially spreading infection and if everyone felt that way there would be no party. It sucks to miss out on stuff, but life goes on. We will make up for it once this blows over. I love to travel and see new places or visit old favorites and I know we will be back to that some day. I don’t like what is happening right now, but it’s necessary. I also want my kids to be able to go back to school in the fall and that won’t happen or be a success if cases spike near me. I’m willing to sacrifice a little bit of pleasure now for the greater good.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The only time we left the house since the pandemic was to (try) to go to Home Depot. It was so crowded, there was no parking spaces to park. We have never saw this in the in the 13 years we lived here. We gave up and went back home.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I ask this with sincerity and no background in statistics or pandemics (not that any of us do). If the "southern surge" was skewing more to young people and the death lag is catching up now, isn't there hope that the death rate associated with that specific surge will be lower? People say young people will bring it home to others but I hardly think that's necessarily true. People are being very careful around their elders and we have more high risk (and not high risk) people choosing to stay away from others than ever before.

I hope we can someday reach the point where we can ask and answer questions as people in this together rather than the predictable divide.

For some time now Americans have been having children later and living with their parents longer. Then you have those who are poorer, who are generally in poorer health and more often live in multi-generational families.

 

[GoofGoof]

The only time we left the house since the pandemic was to (try) to go to Home Depot. It was so crowded, there was no parking spaces to park. We have never saw this in the in the 13 years we lived here. We gave up and back home.

I went to Lowes right after Superstorm Sandy when the power was still out everywhere around us. I wanted to get more D batteries for a lantern and any firewood bundles they had so we could stay warm because we new power wasn’t coming back. The store was on a generator so open and it was packed. Most people were getting ply wood, batteries and looking for chain saws and generators which were sold out, but there were some people just doing regular projects. They kept announcing they needed an associates in the blind cutting area and the line was 5 deep at the paint mixing desk. I can’t imagine wanting to Paint or hang blinds during a hurricane but I think some people just figure a day off is a day off and they wanted to cross something off their to do list.

 

[Jedijax719]

If older kids can spread the coronavirus as easily as adults, what does that mean for schools reopening?

Older kids are just as likely to spread the coronavirus as adults are, according to a new South Korean study published in the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Disstevefan1]

I went to Lowes right after Superstorm Sandy when the power was still out everywhere around us. I wanted to get more D batteries for a lantern and any firewood bundles they had so we could stay warm because we new power wasn’t coming back. The store was on a generator so open and it was packed. Most people were getting ply wood, batteries and looking for chain saws and generators which were sold out, but there were some people just doing regular projects. They kept announcing they needed an associates in the blind cutting area and the line was 5 deep at the paint mixing desk. I can’t imagine wanting to Paint or hang blinds during a hurricane but I think some people just figure a day off is a day off and they wanted to cross something off their to do list.

In the case of COVID, you are stuck home, you might as well get stuff done around the home. Makes sense.

 

[GoofGoof]

In the case of COVID, you are stuck home, you might as well get stuff done around the home. Makes sense.

For a while during full stay at home orders I think a lot of people also didn’t want to have contractors in their house doing work so there was a surge in DIY projects. Nowadays it’s probably less of an issue.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Something has to be done to slow the spread. Let me ask you why can't masks be mandatory and you fine people and businesses for not complying with social distancing. Are you against that too. Doing nothing creates what's going on the Florida. Even though numbers might be going down, a lot of people died and got sick that could have been prevented had something been done. Instead you have Covidiots with their head in the sand running the asylum.

You should probably tell that to every single peer of the United States who used lockdowns to great success.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I think when it comes to this new life we are living, a lot of people forget it is a PANDEMIC. Its not a bad regular illness season, its not bad weather that goes away after a few days, its completely uncharted territory.

No one knows how to live right now because we have never had a global pandemic in modern times. Will we be living like this for another year? 6 months? 2 months? Who knows?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I haven’t been out to bars or even indoor dining or at church or at graduation parties or at a theme park and I feel I still have a quality life. I spend time with my family, we go for walks, we play with the dog in the yard, we go to a pool to swim. I‘d prefer to go on vacation and go out to eat and go to parties but I know that’s not in the cards right now. I don’t understand the concept that people can’t have a quality life if they can’t do whatever they want whenever they want. But again, we can agree to disagree.

I agree. I love to travel, I’m missing it but I’m visiting state parks close by, going out to photograph some trains, and I’m cooking way more than usual which is good for my health.

I’m tired of watching things on my phone / computer. Live streams are great but I miss being a part of live entertainment (either in the audience or behind the light board!).

So I get missing things, but I also want to be safe.

 

[mellyf]

High school students here will be required to sanitize their assigned desk before class and at the end of class, expected to do the same at lunch. They rotate 5 classes a day, wipes will be in classroom, no word if district or teacher would have to supply. Kinda odd to me, but guess if we expect them to have a college plan figured out by 9th grade, and clean their bedrooms without being told, cleaning a desk shouldn't be too hard right...

I do think this is a really good point. I teach older elementary, and it's always been their job at the end of the day, to clean up their space and wipe down their desks. And I do the same with my space. However, I also think there probably will need to be additional sanitizing procedures in place besides just these, and hopefully that will what our custodial staff would take care of.

 

[GoofGoof]

I agree. I love to travel, I’m missing it but I’m visiting state parks close by, going out to photograph some trains, and I’m cooking way more than usual which is good for my health.

I’m tired of watching things on my phone / computer. Live streams are great but I miss being a part of live entertainment (either in the audience or behind the light board!).

So I get missing things, but I also want to be safe.

There’s a lot of stuff I took for granted that I really miss now. Maybe a silver lining in all of this is we will start to appreciate the little things even more going forward.

I am glad sports are slowly coming back, even if they are not quite right. I was just cracking up watching the Phillie Phanatic trying to get the card board fat heads in the stands behind home plate to do the wave or stand up and clap.

 

[Rescue Ranger]

I highly, highly doubt the mandatory 14 day quarantine will be lifted by September. There is really no indication on them even lifting Europe yet - and we are more 'similar'.

I'm not sure if that helps your decision or not. If you can quarantine on return then you probably will still be allowed to go. I don't see the US imposing reverse rules at this time.

Yea I'm aware of the 14 day quaratine upon return. I'm fine with that.

After nearly 10 years I got cut from my job because of all this covid stuff. So I have the time. Part of why I want to travel now while I do have that time free. My severance will keep me going until November.

If it was just me I'd go, but my mom and partner are coming as well. They also want to go but are worried about the what-ifs. We keep going back and forth. Continuous discussion.

 

[xdan0920]

FAU | State of Florida Data

Florida Covid-19 Testing, Hospitalization, and Death Data.

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[DCBaker]

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Does anyone know why Disney is being so specific on types of masks? They are the only company being so specific so I’m just curious as to the why.

I’m not judging Disney for being specific, it may be a really good thing, I’m just not sure I understand.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Does anyone know why Disney is being so specific on types of masks? They are the only company being so specific so I’m just curious as to the why.

I’m not judging Disney for being specific, it may be a really good thing, I’m just not sure I understand.

Because of the ridiculous garbage people are trying to pass off as face coverings, more than likely. I'm sure disney realizes that "proper" masks are the best way to avoid becoming a site of major spread.

 

[Lilofan]

That face mask of the girl looks like some lacey underwear material.

 

[GoofGoof]

Does anyone know why Disney is being so specific on types of masks? They are the only company being so specific so I’m just curious as to the why.

I’m not judging Disney for being specific, it may be a really good thing, I’m just not sure I understand.

Universal had a similar update a week ago. closing the eating food loophole and also banning masks with air valves and materials with holes.

from the Universal site:

1. Will I be required to wear a face covering? What if I don’t have one?
   Yes. We are following CDC guidelines as well as local health protocols, and face coverings are required to visit Universal Orlando Resort. A face covering must cover your nose and mouth, be secured under your chin and fit snugly against the sides of your face. They also need to be at least two-ply to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people. If you do not have a face covering, we have them available for purchase. Also, children under the age of three are not required to wear face coverings.
   If you have a disability that prevents you from wearing a face covering, please contact Guest Services about our alternate accommodation, which is to wear a face shield during your visit. Face shields must cover your nose and mouth, wrap around the sides of your face, and extend to below your chin. Please note that face shields are not permitted on certain attractions, and guests will have to switch to a face covering for those experiences. Please refer to our Guide for Rider Safety and Accessibility for all ride requirements.
2. What is considered an appropriate facial covering for my visit?
   An appropriate face covering for a visit to Universal Orlando must fit the following criteria:
   • Must cover your nose and mouth and be secured under your chin
   • Must fit snugly against the sides of your face and be secured with ear loops or secured around your head
   • Must be at least two-ply (consist of at least two layers)
   The following are NOT permitted at Universal Orlando:
   • Face coverings with exhalation valves
   • Face coverings that are not secured with ear loops or secured around your head
   • Face coverings that include mesh material or holes of any kind
   • Costume masks or veils, per our costume guidelines
3. Where can I purchase a face covering? Are they available in various sizes?
   Face coverings are available for purchase at select merchandise locations in CityWalk and the theme parks, and they are available in various sizes.
4. What about face coverings when guests are eating?
   Guests must wear face coverings at all times, unless they are actively eating or drinking, and they must also be socially distanced from other travel parties while consuming their food or beverage. Inside restaurants, we have arranged tables and seating so that guests can safely remove their face coverings while enjoying their dining experience.

 

[hopemax]

More on antibodies, and serology studies.

Apparently, when dealing with viruses, there are different proteins that can be measured in terms of antibody response. The "N" protein and the spike protein. With COVID-19 what do we normally hear about, which one are the vaccines targeting? The spike protein. What are the 2 primary antibody tests (Roche & Abbott) looking for? The "N" protein. The "N" protein is the antibody response that might be decaying, and freaking some people out about not having long-lasting immunity. Apparently, the Mt. Sinai NYC serology study was using a different antibody test that looks for the spike protein. So spike antibody tests do exist, they just probably should be used more.

So what might this mean? For the general population, more people might actually have had the virus. Yes, really, lol, so be prepared for a return of the "everybody has had it," debates, lol. People's N antibodies might be low or decayed and register a false negative. But more importantly, the worry about losing immunity based on these antibody tests really might not mean anything, because a spike based test would show the antibody reaction is still present and strong. For viral immunity in general, the more powerful, virus busting antibodies are the spike ones, so those are the ones we really need to be looking for. To quote Indiana Jones and Salah, we need to make sure we're not "digging in the wrong place."

Your Coronavirus Antibodies Are Disappearing. Should You Care? (Published 2020)

Declining antibody levels do not mean less immunity, experts say. Besides, two widely used tests may detect the wrong antibodies.

www.nytimes.com