Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[wdisney9000]

The virus has gotten in the way of the plan. But that doesn't eliminate what was the plan. Governors planned on bars being able to be opened, movie theaters opened, schools reopening on time, no mask mandates, and dozens of other ways that we go back to normal. All of these were the plan. I believe the Governors currently affected, still want this to be the plan. This is only a temporary hiccup, requiring some short term tweaking, that doesn't have to result in wide-scale re-evaluation of the plan.

You dismiss how convenient it goes both ways. The original plan was "don't wear a mask", "lockdown for 21 days", "keep hospital beds open".

Many people have adjusted to the "hiccups" you speak of and have not demanded a wide scale re-evaluation.

 

[lisa12000]

Bleak outlook from the UK Government advisory body today

Coronavirus: 'Infection here for many years to come'

Even progress in developing a vaccine is unlikely to mean the virus will be eliminated, MPs hear.

www.bbc.com

Sir Jeremy, a member of Sage, the government advisory body, said the world would be living with Covid-19 for "very many, many years to come".

"Things will not be done by Christmas. This infection is not going away, it's now a human endemic infection.

"Even, actually, if we have a vaccine or very good treatments, humanity will still be living with this virus for very many, many years.... decades to come."

can we be slightly careful believing everything certain SAGE members say here in the uk - there are a number of members of SAGE who now go out of their way to contradict any of the government message - this and others have come as a direct result of Boris saying he wanted normality by Christmas - they are attacking as they feel like they are going to be made the fall guy - it is becoming increasingly political

Also remember that SAGE didn’t want lockdown over here, didn’t recommend it and wanted a herd immunity policy....

 

[hopemax]

You dismiss how convenient it goes both ways. The original plan was "don't wear a mask", "lockdown for 21 days", "keep hospital beds open".

Many people have adjusted to the "hiccups" you speak of and have not demanded a wide scale re-evaluation.

What happened in March wasn't a plan. It was a reaction.

Some things, like the mask statements were bad reactions. We have, or should have had the ability to be more pro-active. Instead, we are continuing to be reactionary as a strategy.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You dismiss how convenient it goes both ways. The original plan was "don't wear a mask", "lockdown for 21 days", "keep hospital beds open".

Many people have adjusted to the "hiccups" you speak of and have not demanded a wide scale re-evaluation.

"15 Days to Slow the Spread" was 127 days ago.

 

[wdisney9000]

Yes we are choosing to isolate and choosing to have the greatest chance of surviving over death,

Of your entire (one long paragraph) post that was little more than a personal display of how brave you consider yourself, the above is where you lost me. Survival over death????? Seriously?

 

[Casper Gutman]

"15 Days to Slow the Spread" was 127 days ago.

We were supposed to use that time to develop long- and mid-term strategies and to ensure the supply of PPE and other medical equipment. We didn’t even really try. We failed.

Is the point to say, “Well, that slogan was misleading, I’m done trying to deal with this pandemic. It can do as it likes.”

 

[CaptainAmerica]

We were supposed to use that time to develop long- and mid-term strategies and to ensure the supply of PPE and other medical equipment. We didn’t even really try. We failed.

Is the point to say, “Well, that slogan was misleading, I’m done trying to deal with this pandemic. It can do as it likes.”

The point is to say "our leaders have proven to be liars at worst and incompetent at best, most likely both all at once, therefore I don't really see any reason to believe/trust/listen to what they have to tell us now."

Though, your comment about medical equipment doesn't really hold up. We never came close to a ventilator shortage despite the fear-mongering, and when they deployed a hospital ship to New York City, it sat there empty.

 

[Flugell]

Of your entire (one long paragraph) post that was little more than a personal display of how brave you consider yourself, the above is where you lost me. Survival over death????? Seriously?

Absolutely! I don’t consider myself brave and resent most strongly your dimissive attitude. If, as vulnerable, on many counts, we are infected there is a high risk of serious infection or indeed death. I cannot understand your attitude or that of Captain America who liked your post, to a genuine request for everyone to work together to ensure that things, will in time improve and become safer for ALL members of society not just those who choose to ignore the situation.

 

[TrojanUSC]

You dismiss how convenient it goes both ways. The original plan was "don't wear a mask", "lockdown for 21 days", "keep hospital beds open".

Many people have adjusted to the "hiccups" you speak of and have not demanded a wide scale re-evaluation.

No, the original plan was "lock down to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed while using that time wisely to develop a robust contact tracing apparatus and enough testing to keep up with said effort." We failed and now we are paying the price while most other countries are back to some semblance of normalcy.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The point is to say "our leaders have proven to be liars at worst and incompetent at best, most likely both all at once, therefore I don't really see any reason to believe/trust/listen to what they have to tell us now."

Though, your comment about medical equipment doesn't really hold up. We never came close to a ventilator shortage despite the fear-mongering, and when they deployed a hospital ship to New York City, it sat there empty.

We are still massively, horribly low on PPE.

And dismissing ALL comments by leaders because some have made mistakes or even lied is not mature or responsible. It’s our job to critically evaluate every leader and every comment, to look for verification and nuance. Just dismissing all experts and leaders out of hand is a cheap way to be able to act however we want and blame consequences on others.

 

[lisa12000]

. Oh how wrong you are. I am sheltering in place, my husband is, my 25&26 year old sons are sheltering in place, so are our friends. They are doing this not for themselves but to protect us and others. They are doing this of their own volition because they are decent, responsible and thoughtful individuals who say they could never forgive themselves if they infected ANYONE be it stranger, family or friends. They want to rejoin society but are appalled by the flagrant disregard for the guidance from the government and cannot believe the attitude of many who selfishly go on with their lives as if nothing has changed. We are totally reliant on delivery for food and medication. Yes we are choosing to isolate and choosing to have the greatest chance of surviving over death, yes we know what to do but that doesn’t mean we should be shoved to the back of people’s mind and forced to live in a bubble indefinitely because others are not prepared to help any longer. I agree that it shouldn’t be necessary to shelter till the spring, yet you imply that it’s fine for the vulnerable to shelter ad infinitum. What’s fair about that? I know that a response is, we have less/little/no risk depending on perspective so What’s fair about us Sheltering in place even longer? I suppose the only answer is to examine your conscience, if everyone remains separate and at home we KNOW the spread goes down (see any chart around the world after lock down) if people wear a mask, avoid crowds and are socially distant when out and about then the spread increases but remains manageable and those sheltering are also able to rejoin society. Yes it’s hard, I know! I’ve been for 2 car rides since lockdown in the U.K. in March and on neither occasion left the car., the only occasions I have left the house. Yes twice in 4 months. Before the Pandemic we were due to come to Florida for a 6 week holiday, 3 weeks in a villa, 3 weeks in WDW so are hardly afraid of travel or adventure or socialising. We are not asking for preferential treatment, just for equality of treatment and the same consideration that should be given to everyone. If everyone works together, consistently and for the benefit of everyone then I feel hopeful that we will be able to return to some form of normality, quicker and in a manner that is safer for everyone, the young, the healthy and the vulnerable. I am from the U.K. and generally we seem to be more willing to abide by the rules, though not by much, than it appears from this thread and news reports. Our lives matter too! ( Apologies to BLM for borrowing your slogan.)

wow I think you need to be slightly careful how this comes across. I’m from the uk as well and guess what I’ve been out every week, ive been shopping locally and in Birmingham, been to garden centres, taken my 79 year old Mum to town and I’m off to Disneyland Paris on Friday. DO NOT tell me I’m selfish to want a bit of a life, to want to live not exist and not want to never go out and see my family - are you all healthy as I find it amazing that people in their mid 20s are not going slightly mad right now after four months!

all of your post is so judgemental of people like myself who aren’t scared to get on with life whilst making sure we follow the guidelines! Also one minute you say there’s a flagrant disregard of govt rules and then say we are more obedient? Got to be having a laugh surely - I find your attitude really patronising to both people from the US and from the UK - I don’t judge as I don’t walk in other people’s shoes

 

[Flugell]

wow I think you need to be slightly careful how this comes across. I’m from the uk as well and guess what I’ve been out every week, ive been shopping locally and in Birmingham, been to garden centres, taken my 79 year old Mum to town and I’m off to Disneyland Paris on Friday. DO NOT tell me I’m selfish to want a bit of a life, to want to live not exist and not want to never go out and see my family - are you all healthy as I find it amazing that people in their mid 20s are not going slightly mad right now after four months!

all of your post is so judgemental of people like myself who aren’t scared to get on with life whilst making sure we follow the guidelines! Also one minute you say there’s a flagrant disregard of govt rules and then say we are more obedient? Got to be having a laugh surely - I find your attitude really patronising to both people from the US and from the UK - I don’t judge as I don’t walk in other people’s shoes

Well don’t walk in my shoes either because you are clearly judging me. Calling me patronising is unfair as there was no intent in that regard. I’m glad you feel safe enough to go out into society and live a life and to take your elderly Mum for trips. Have a great time at Disney Land Paris, follow the guidelines and stay safe. That’s all I’m trying to do, but choosing to do it in a different way.

 

[Casper Gutman]

wow I think you need to be slightly careful how this comes across. I’m from the uk as well and guess what I’ve been out every week, ive been shopping locally and in Birmingham, been to garden centres, taken my 79 year old Mum to town and I’m off to Disneyland Paris on Friday. DO NOT tell me I’m selfish to want a bit of a life, to want to live not exist and not want to never go out and see my family - are you all healthy as I find it amazing that people in their mid 20s are not going slightly mad right now after four months!

all of your post is so judgemental of people like myself who aren’t scared to get on with life whilst making sure we follow the guidelines! Also one minute you say there’s a flagrant disregard of govt rules and then say we are more obedient? Got to be having a laugh surely - I find your attitude really patronising to both people from the US and from the UK - I don’t judge as I don’t walk in other people’s shoes

We all want to live, not just exist. We are all going a bit mad being cooped up. That reaction isn’t unique, and it doesn’t mean our actions lack consequences.

The simple fact that what we do right now may have very negative effects for others seems absolutely impossible for a lot to grasp.

 

[lisa12000]

We all want to live, not just exist. We are all going a bit mad being cooped up. That reaction isn’t unique, and it doesn’t mean our actions lack consequences.

The simple fact that what we do right now may have very negative effects for others seems absolutely impossible for some a lot to grasp.

ah but it is possible to live whilst still being safe - there is not one thing of the other. Not once when I have been out have I taken any risks and put anyone at risk - when I get back from Paris I will not visit anyone for at least 7 days to ensure I am safe

 

[lisa12000]

Well don’t walk in my shoes either because you are clearly judging me. Calling me patronising is unfair as there was no intent in that regard. I’m glad you feel safe enough to go out into society and live a life and to take your elderly Mum for trips. Have a great time at Disney Land Paris, follow the guidelines and stay safe. That’s all I’m trying to do, but choosing to do it in a different way.

love how you made sure you got the ‘elderly’ jn there - she’s probable fitter and more healthy than many 20 years younger

 

[DCBaker]

For those who visit UO, they have updated their mask guidelines -

Universal Orlando

Universal Orlando Resort

www.universalorlando.com

 

[Flugell]

love how you made sure you got the ‘elderly’ jn there - she’s probable fitter and more healthy than many 20 years younger

So 79 isn’t elderly? Glad she’s fit and healthy. Glad you’re going to isolate on return. I say again, have a great time. I am just choosing to take less risks. My life, my choice. Your life, your choice.

 

[October82]

There's a legal debate to be had over whether these orders are "the law."

There isn't.

Regardless, it's the same logic behind not pulling over every driver who goes 68 MPH in a zone with a 65 MPH speed limit.

Yep.

The point is to say "our leaders have proven to be liars at worst and incompetent at best, most likely both all at once, therefore I don't really see any reason to believe/trust/listen to what they have to tell us now."

There are politicians who lie and spin the truth. But these people are not those who end up as public health professionals and epidemiologists. When a politician says they have saved an industry through their brilliant deregulatory efforts or made homelessness a thing of the past through their new taxes, that is spin. When a medical doctor who is a county or state public health official says that we need to close bars and indoor dining in order to keep people from dying, that is a conclusion based on scientific and medical research. There's a world of difference.

Though, your comment about medical equipment doesn't really hold up. We never came close to a ventilator shortage despite the fear-mongering, and when they deployed a hospital ship to New York City, it sat there empty.

Because the stay at home orders were effective. Had they not been, we would have had a ventilator shortage. Hence the work done to prepare for that possibility.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The point is to say "our leaders have proven to be liars at worst and incompetent at best, most likely both all at once, therefore I don't really see any reason to believe/trust/listen to what they have to tell us now."

Though, your comment about medical equipment doesn't really hold up. We never came close to a ventilator shortage despite the fear-mongering, and when they deployed a hospital ship to New York City, it sat there empty.

Ventilators are not PPE, nor the end-all of hospital supply metrics.

Even the hospital where I work has PPE shortages. We're in a region with some of the lowest COVID case numbers in the country, but because the national supplies are so tight right now, our deliveries have been sharply curtailed.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There are politicians who lie and spin the truth. But these people are not those who end up as public health professionals and epidemiologists. When a politician says they have saved an industry through their brilliant deregulatory efforts or made homelessness a thing of the past through their new taxes, that is spin. When a medical doctor who is a county or state public health official says that we need to close bars and indoor dining in order to keep people from dying, that is a conclusion based on scientific and medical research. There's a world of difference.

*Plays clip of Fauci saying that people should NOT be wearing masks.*