Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[October82]

*Plays clip of Fauci saying that people should NOT be wearing masks.*

I'm not sure what the point here is.

Fauci was neither lying, nor was he speaking from a place of incompetence. During the early stages of this pandemic, there was a major shortage of PPE as both medical professionals and many in the public sought out medical grade masks for both urgent and non-urgent reasons. At the time, we did not know whether non-medical grade face coverings would provide sufficient protection, so the advice was to not wear a mask since that would lead to people who had urgent need of them being unable to get them.

Even now, the recommendation is for cloth face coverings and not medical grade masks because 1) medical grade masks are still in high demand and low supply and 2) cloth face coverings, when used consistently and by everyone, provide sufficient protection to lower the rate of community spread. This is because covid-19 is now understood to spread primarily through large aerosolized droplets. Early in the pandemic, we did not know the primary means by which this spreads.

One of the hardest parts about science and one of the ways that it is different from politics is that our understanding and recommendations change as we uncover new information. In politics we think of people changing their views as a negative, while in science this generally reflects honesty. This is also why you should listen to and trust scientists, their job is not to appear correct or to support a political agenda. The advice you get from public health officials may change, but it is still the best advice you can get.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm not sure what the point here is.

Fauci was neither lying, nor was he speaking from a place of incompetence. During the early stages of this pandemic, there was a major shortage of PPE as both medical professionals and many in the public sought out medical grade masks for both urgent and non-urgent reasons. At the time, we did not know whether non-medical grade face coverings would provide sufficient protection, so the advice was to not wear a mask since that would lead to people who had urgent need of them being unable to get them.

That is absolutely NOT what Fauci said. But go off.

 

[GoofGoof]

*Plays clip of Fauci saying that people should NOT be wearing masks.*

You gotta let it go.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Extremely well written with valid points to accompany.

The Council of 8 will not like this.

There you go again.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Fauci was wrong.

So we’re all on board with masks now, right? Mask mandates should help EVERYONE be able to go back to WDW sooner.

 

[BrianLo]

It is both clear there is not a good handle on the virus currently. Nor are lock down measures going to be palatable to the American public. I just feel like this whole thing can be summed up as a series of over reactions and under reactions.

There is likely a moderate approach at this juncture, but everyone is too busy digging their heels into their position to reach an effective strategy.

It is also clear that shaming does not work. Nor does discrediting legitimate evidence work. People need to be empowered and given the tools to be allowed to do things *safely*. Likewise Individuals also have a duty to society as a whole. Both need to be acknowledged and respected. Until that happens it seems like really no one is winning.

 

[Dizneykid]

Fauci was wrong.

So we’re all on board with masks now, right? Mask mandates should help EVERYONE be able to go back to WDW sooner.

Is anyone is disagreement about masks here? I'm admittedly in and out of the loop. If masks and distancing are effective, why can't Disney be open? I would think even a small gathering among friends without masks is less safe than operating a theme park at low capacity with strict guidelines among people who will have almost no personal contact.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

*Plays clip of Fauci saying that people should NOT be wearing masks.*

Some here really don’t know how science works. That statement has been beat to death here over the hundreds of posts. Don’t make me explain it again. Thanks.

 

[October82]

That is absolutely NOT what Fauci said. But go off.

Regardless of what Fauci did or did not say, the summary I gave reflects the history of thinking about this topic from the community of public health officials and experts in the spread of transmissible disease. This is an important point because it is another place where science and public health differ from politics. Science does not work in a top down fashion where even very prominent experts make decisions that others must agree with. Instead, it is communities of experts that make decisions and recommendations based on the consensus of the available evidence.

 

[Lilofan]

Hurricane season is from June 1 - Nov 1. Peak is around Aug and Sept. If there are evacuations, it's going to be a challenge to social distance in shelters or public spaces where guests and locals need to go if it's mandatory. If the hospitals including covid patients have to evacuate because a Cat 4 or 5 is incoming, that would be a nightmare.

 

[JoeCamel]

Hurricane season is from June 1 - Nov 1. Peak is around Aug and Sept. If there are evacuations, it's going to be a challenge to social distance in shelters or public spaces where guests and locals need to go if it's mandatory. If the hospitals including covid patients have to evacuate because a Cat 4 or 5 is incoming, that would be a nightmare.

Yes, you are correct but it is 2020 so maybe not pile on "what if's".

 

[Polkadotdress]

Yes, you are correct but it is 2020 so maybe not pile on "what if's".

Soooo....Tropical Storm Douglas? On track to become a hurricane by WED?

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

. Oh how wrong you are. I am sheltering in place, my husband is, my 25&26 year old sons are sheltering in place, so are our friends. They are doing this not for themselves but to protect us and others. They are doing this of their own volition because they are decent, responsible and thoughtful individuals who say they could never forgive themselves if they infected ANYONE be it stranger, family or friends. They want to rejoin society but are appalled by the flagrant disregard for the guidance from the government and cannot believe the attitude of many who selfishly go on with their lives as if nothing has changed. We are totally reliant on delivery for food and medication. Yes we are choosing to isolate and choosing to have the greatest chance of surviving over death, yes we know what to do but that doesn’t mean we should be shoved to the back of people’s mind and forced to live in a bubble indefinitely because others are not prepared to help any longer. I agree that it shouldn’t be necessary to shelter till the spring, yet you imply that it’s fine for the vulnerable to shelter ad infinitum. What’s fair about that? I know that a response is, we have less/little/no risk depending on perspective so What’s fair about us Sheltering in place even longer? I suppose the only answer is to examine your conscience, if everyone remains separate and at home we KNOW the spread goes down (see any chart around the world after lock down) if people wear a mask, avoid crowds and are socially distant when out and about then the spread increases but remains manageable and those sheltering are also able to rejoin society. Yes it’s hard, I know! I’ve been for 2 car rides since lockdown in the U.K. in March and on neither occasion left the car., the only occasions I have left the house. Yes twice in 4 months. Before the Pandemic we were due to come to Florida for a 6 week holiday, 3 weeks in a villa, 3 weeks in WDW so are hardly afraid of travel or adventure or socialising. We are not asking for preferential treatment, just for equality of treatment and the same consideration that should be given to everyone. If everyone works together, consistently and for the benefit of everyone then I feel hopeful that we will be able to return to some form of normality, quicker and in a manner that is safer for everyone, the young, the healthy and the vulnerable. I am from the U.K. and generally we seem to be more willing to abide by the rules, though not by much, than it appears from this thread and news reports. Our lives matter too! ( Apologies to BLM for borrowing your slogan.)

Wall of text crits you for 1000 pts.
I kid of course

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Hurricane season is from June 1 - Nov 1. Peak is around Aug and Sept. If there are evacuations, it's going to be a challenge to social distance in shelters or public spaces where guests and locals need to go if it's mandatory. If the hospitals including covid patients have to evacuate because a Cat 4 or 5 is incoming, that would be a nightmare.

gee imagine if we had this under control....

 

[JoeCamel]

Soooo....Tropical Storm Douglas? On track to become a hurricane by WED?

Not here

 

[rk03221]

 

[Heppenheimer]

I'm not sure what the point here is.

Fauci was neither lying, nor was he speaking from a place of incompetence. During the early stages of this pandemic, there was a major shortage of PPE as both medical professionals and many in the public sought out medical grade masks for both urgent and non-urgent reasons. At the time, we did not know whether non-medical grade face coverings would provide sufficient protection, so the advice was to not wear a mask since that would lead to people who had urgent need of them being unable to get them.

Even now, the recommendation is for cloth face coverings and not medical grade masks because 1) medical grade masks are still in high demand and low supply and 2) cloth face coverings, when used consistently and by everyone, provide sufficient protection to lower the rate of community spread. This is because covid-19 is now understood to spread primarily through large aerosolized droplets. Early in the pandemic, we did not know the primary means by which this spreads.

One of the hardest parts about science and one of the ways that it is different from politics is that our understanding and recommendations change as we uncover new information. In politics we think of people changing their views as a negative, while in science this generally reflects honesty. This is also why you should listen to and trust scientists, their job is not to appear correct or to support a political agenda. The advice you get from public health officials may change, but it is still the best advice you can get.

Also, the initial guidance came when the number of known cases was several orders of magnitude lower than it is now.

 

[Plutomickey24]

I've been reading this thread, and telling myself every time I see it not to click on it, but I still do. It's like driving by an accident and you can't look away. Here's my opinion on the matter. Unless the Governor says Disney has to close they will stay open. They may alter table service places, but we'll see. If wearing a mask and social distancing works then fine we can do that. The science on the virus is always changing because we are learning more and more. Everyone has an opinion about it. Everyone is entitled to live their lives the way they see fit for them. If someone wants to stay home and go out as little as possible because they feel that's safer, fine they have a right to do that. If people want to go to Disney because they want their vacation and they are fine with wearing a mask around the park then that's fine too. People shouldn't be judged for how they choose to live their life. It's their life. My 74 year old father still wants to go to Disney in September. He has a heart condition, but he wants to live his life and enjoy it. He's had enough near misses in his life, that he wants to live it to the fullest. That right now is going to Disney. He's going to be wearing his masks and social distancing. For people who are planning on going, have fun and enjoy it. For people who stay home because they feel safer, enjoy that too. Time at home is a precious gift. You can relax and do things around your house that you wouldn't normally have time to do. Enjoy your downtime. If you have pets, enjoy the time with them. Don't take any of the time for granted. You never get it back. Everyone have a good night!

 

[TJJohn12]

Hurricane season is from June 1 - Nov 1. Peak is around Aug and Sept. If there are evacuations, it's going to be a challenge to social distance in shelters or public spaces where guests and locals need to go if it's mandatory. If the hospitals including covid patients have to evacuate because a Cat 4 or 5 is incoming, that would be a nightmare.

Was watching NHK a few weeks back about all the proactive steps they're taking to outfit shelters ahead of time to refit evacuation plans - including cardboard dividers and beds for families, portable inexpensive positive flow ventilation systems, special supplies being distributed to shelters in case they're needed, isolation plans for both COVID-positive and COVID-suspected evacuees. It was REALLY impressive how much forethought the combined governments of Japan (both national and local) are putting into keeping their citizens safe.

 

[Miss Bella]

For those who visit UO, they have updated their mask guidelines -

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Universal Orlando

Universal Orlando Resort

www.universalorlando.com

Thanks for posting this I'll be spending three days at Universal. I'm confused by the two layers? Does this mean disposable masks are not allowed? I've got a dozen cloth masks, but none of them are double layered.