Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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Everyday the optics of Disney opening up this week looks worse. You can spin the data however you want, find the positives, but at the end of the day Florida is facing a major problem. I'm still of the opinion they pull the plug. Its just getting worse. And to report 10,000 from a HOLIDAY is bad. A day when things were expected to be calm. Numbers keep going up, no signs of positivity rate going down, and hospitals are filling up. I just dont see how they go through with it.
With the timing lag I think tomorrow’s results will reflect tests done yesterday. The test results released today are for test results that came back yesterday but the actual tests were really done Friday or in some cases Thursday. I would expect a drop in total positives and a large drop in tests done over the next 2 days. Then around Wednesday or Thursday a spike from the backlog of tests run Monday or Tuesday.

Not disagreeing that the optics look poor, but I think we are beyond the point of no return. High cases are nothing new so it will take some other change, government imposed or competitor imposed, to derail the opening. I don’t see either happening right now.
 

Chomama

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Testing was supposed to be calm, not the lagged results. My brother tried to get tested yesterday (coworkers live in boyfriend tested positive) and they were closed. He got a test done today and they told him it could be up to a week for results. Just because testing was closed yesterday doesn't mean reporting was. The cases from today were tested days ago.
Agree. Testing just isn’t good. I had a known exposure Monday. It took me until yesterday to find a test and they said results next Wednesday or Thursday. I drove to 6 different places and spent 3 hours in the car as well as made many phone calls to find a test. Some places flat out said no test bc I am symptom free. I was also not given any instructions about waiting at home or avoiding people until I got the results etc. They just sent me
On m’y way and said to call Wednesday if I haven’t heard anything. If this experience is happening around the country, it’s no wonder it is spreading like wildfire. I am responsible enough to know to stay home for now but I can see how someone may not know on their own and continue walking around in the real
World if they were in my position. All that to say, the positive numbers reported today are probably days old at the least and many,many cases are being missed simply bc getting a test is such a pain.
 

oceanbreeze77

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I know test results are lagged but I was still expecting lower lagged results because of the holiday.

I should clarify in my post that I meant a holiday report.
 

Lilofan

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Even if WDW opens in time the week of July 11th, trying to ensure a drunk person to properly social distance and wear their mask will be challenging.
 

GoofGoof

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Even if WDW opens in time the week of July 11th, trying to ensure a drunk person to properly social distance and wear their mask will be challenging.
That‘s going to be the case no matter when they open. If the current bar ban in FL didn’t have so many loopholes they may have eliminated that problem.
 

celluloid

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Universal and Sea World had a hard enough time but now that things are being real and or spun to be worse(no matter what side you are on) WDW is going to have a harder time beginning to reopen. Since they are the main draw, it will seem like they are the bad guy because they attract a lot more than others, they are a victim of their own success and reputation in this case. And in reality, they have a hard time actually getting the numbers they think they are going to get of big money spenders outside of the AP and DVC crowds.
 

Miss Bella

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Universal and Sea World had a hard enough time but now that things are being real and or spun to be worse(no matter what side you are on) WDW is going to have a harder time beginning to reopen. Since they are the main draw, it will seem like they are the bad guy because they attract a lot more than others, they are a victim of their own success and reputation in this case. And in reality, they have a hard time actually getting the numbers they think they are going to get of big money spenders outside of the AP and DVC crowds.
Has there been press blaming theme parks for COVID spikes? I haven't seen it, but I haven't been looking.
 
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peter11435

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I don't share your viewpoint but to each his own.
I’m sure you’ve seen guests who have had too much to drink, they would be memorable, but they are not the majority. You overlook the overwhelming number of guests simply enjoying the park and focus on and remember the small number of trouble makers. As someone who regularly spends weekend night at the park, especially during festival seasons, I can say they are most definitely a small percentage.
 

trainplane3

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interestingly in my area the opposite seems to be true. The younger people are staying home, wearing masks when they do have to go out, and properly distancing. It’s the middle aged and older that are out without masks and ignoring personal space let alone physical distancing.
That seems really similar to what's going on around my area as well. While you have the obnoxiously loud minority doing the opposite, people are starting to take it more seriously since some places are closing again. People will need to suck it up and deal with it. It's not just them it's literally everyone, everywhere.

The most I did over the last two weeks was go out to a local milkshake place twice. They won't even let you touch the door handles, enter without a mask, or pay with cash.
 

Rider

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

The World Health Organization has long held that the coronavirus is spread primarily by large respiratory droplets that, once expelled by infected people in coughs and sneezes, fall quickly to the floor.

But in an open letter to the W.H.O., 239 scientists in 32 countries have outlined the evidence showing that smaller particles can infect people, and are calling for the agency to revise its recommendations. The researchers plan to publish their letter in a scientific journal next week.
 

milordsloth

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Agree. Testing just isn’t good. I had a known exposure Monday. It took me until yesterday to find a test and they said results next Wednesday or Thursday. I drove to 6 different places and spent 3 hours in the car as well as made many phone calls to find a test. Some places flat out said no test bc I am symptom free. I was also not given any instructions about waiting at home or avoiding people until I got the results etc. They just sent me
On m’y way and said to call Wednesday if I haven’t heard anything. If this experience is happening around the country, it’s no wonder it is spreading like wildfire. I am responsible enough to know to stay home for now but I can see how someone may not know on their own and continue walking around in the real
World if they were in my position. All that to say, the positive numbers reported today are probably days old at the least and many,many cases are being missed simply bc getting a test is such a pain.

Sorry you had a bad experience getting tested. At least for me in California (bay area) I had no issue at all. I got a text from my boss at 7am to get tested due to a coworker, and I had the test done by 11am. Noon the next day I had my negative result. Super smooth process.
 

Chomama

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Sorry you had a bad experience getting tested. At least for me in California (bay area) I had no issue at all. I got a text from my boss at 7am to get tested due to a coworker, and I had the test done by 11am. Noon the next day I had my negative result. Super smooth process.
Glad it worked for you. Frustrating bc I suspect this has a lot to do with where one lives, which inherently problematic.
 

Miss Bella

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

The World Health Organization has long held that the coronavirus is spread primarily by large respiratory droplets that, once expelled by infected people in coughs and sneezes, fall quickly to the floor.

But in an open letter to the W.H.O., 239 scientists in 32 countries have outlined the evidence showing that smaller particles can infect people, and are calling for the agency to revise its recommendations. The researchers plan to publish their letter in a scientific journal next week.
We already knew this.
 

milordsloth

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Glad it worked for you. Frustrating bc I suspect this has a lot to do with where one lives, which inherently problematic.

That is part of it I'm sure, and also has to do with type of health insurance and the organization doing the test. Some are definitely faster than others. Some of my coworkers with different health plans had to wait a week.
 
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