milordsloth
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"Another 10 days" sounds simple and easy, unless you are the one who has already put into motion the opening train that is WDW. That train isn't going to stop clean or easy.
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"Another 10 days" sounds simple and easy, unless you are the one who has already put into motion the opening train that is WDW. That train isn't going to stop clean or easy.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Oh I’ll give you that...logistics are a nightmare.
One problem with wdw as an example is:
1. They can absolutely afford it.
2. I still don’t believe they want to open at all.
milordsloth
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And reopening day, which I believe will go just fine, will help with those people on the fence. If they postpone the opening now after how far it has gone, that will be much worse for faith in an opening date.
MaximumEd
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I‘ve seen you post that a lot. The second point. If they were sitting on as much cash as folks say and didn’t really want to open, wouldn’t they just not open?
Miss Bella
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Every business wants to be open. They may take a loss the first few months, but August and September are their slower months anyway. They want it to go well so people feel confident to book trips during their most profitable time of year the Winter and Spring.
Miss Bella
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We were there in September when they rolled out fast pass plus. It was so slow you didn't need fast passes, but it was the perfect time to roll out a new system. I feel like this experience will be similar.
Sirwalterraleigh
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They are a public traded company and parks are their primary cash cow.
But their stock really isn’t hurting that much...Which tells you a lot about the money game.
Anyway...I think Disney is uniquely positioned to stay closed in a bizarre world. They could have weathered the storm. But they can’t appear not to be trying to.
They sure didn’t complain much when California pushed them back did they? Not a peep.
If Florida said no - never happening because Florida looks to reinvent the wheel - Disney wouldn’t have put up a fight.
And thats ignoring the legalese of dvc...another problem that forces their hand.
I used to...many moons ago...have a pretty good insight into the thinking behind the scenes. I don’t see any rush in any of their moves. I think they have written the year off.
They don’t want us there...is what I believe. Reducing attendance and occupancy and canceling special ticket events? Shutting down money fountain dining locations? Paying for a huge logistics machine to restart...less bang for the buck out of their employees?
Where’s the money in it for them? The numbers don’t work that way in the machine.
MaximumEd
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Fair enough. Appreciate the response. I don’t know a ton about the system, but it seems to me they have a huge problem on their hands with dvc points and that could be the main thing forcing their hand if they really would rather stay closed.
edit: my reading comprehension sucks. You said the same thing about dvc points.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
My take is that is the “problem” that couldn’t be solved....
And I think they really wanted the nba bubble...to solve other problems...and couldn’t have it both ways
InnKpr
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On thing that frustrates me are stories like these:
www.wvlt.tv
Yes, Myrtle Beach like many other popular tourist destinations is a covid hot spot. That is to be expected. But why blame the tourist town when tourists willingly visit and return to their home towns bringing the virus? Nobody in Myrtle Beach held a gun to their head demanding they spend their vacation time there. The precautionary measures are laid out in practically every business you enter.
Same with Orlando, Vegas, and my town of Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg that are sending many tourists back home after vacations with covid as an additional souvenir. People made the choice, used their own liberties to come to these places. Nobody forced this on them.
As @TrainChasers mentioned earlier, there are state parks, natural areas with less tourist population, other alternatives for escapism which lead to far lesser chances of becoming infected. In the meeting in my town of Pigeon Forge yesterday, it was recommended to encourage our families & loved ones to visit those lesser traveled options, and stay away from our area while this thing spreads. Let the tourists not connected to our families be on the front lines, not our relatives. The same when Disney opens soon. Nobody connected to the Mouse is forcing a visit down there against free will. So stop blaming the destinations! We are trying our best to operate as safely as possible, needing to remain open for livelihoods, but also trying to be as honest as possible with the public as to what you're entering. That's a juggling act which is easier said than done.
Students taking COVID-19 back from Myrtle Beach vacations
Officials say students vacationing in Myrtle Beach took back COVID-19 to West Virginia and Ohio as souvenirs.
www.wvlt.tv
Same with Orlando, Vegas, and my town of Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg that are sending many tourists back home after vacations with covid as an additional souvenir. People made the choice, used their own liberties to come to these places. Nobody forced this on them.
As @TrainChasers mentioned earlier, there are state parks, natural areas with less tourist population, other alternatives for escapism which lead to far lesser chances of becoming infected. In the meeting in my town of Pigeon Forge yesterday, it was recommended to encourage our families & loved ones to visit those lesser traveled options, and stay away from our area while this thing spreads. Let the tourists not connected to our families be on the front lines, not our relatives. The same when Disney opens soon. Nobody connected to the Mouse is forcing a visit down there against free will. So stop blaming the destinations! We are trying our best to operate as safely as possible, needing to remain open for livelihoods, but also trying to be as honest as possible with the public as to what you're entering. That's a juggling act which is easier said than done.
raymusiccity
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Maybe part of the equation is the more DVC resort cancellations translates to more cash customers paying for the resulting vacancies. They've already pocketed the DVC money and can apologize, blaming it all on Covid.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Isn’t it both the hosts and the travelers fault?On thing that frustrates me are stories like these:
Yes, Myrtle Beach like many other popular tourist destinations is a covid hot spot. That is to be expected. But why blame the tourist town when tourists willingly visit and return to their home towns bringing the virus? Nobody in Myrtle Beach held a gun to their head demanding they spend their vacation time there. The precautionary measures are laid out in practically every business you enter.Students taking COVID-19 back from Myrtle Beach vacations
Officials say students vacationing in Myrtle Beach took back COVID-19 to West Virginia and Ohio as souvenirs.
Same with Orlando, Vegas, and my town of Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg that are sending many tourists back home after vacations with covid as an additional souvenir. People made the choice, used their own liberties to come to these places. Nobody forced this on them.
As @TrainChasers mentioned earlier, there are state parks, natural areas with less tourist population, other alternatives for escapism which lead to far lesser chances of becoming infected. In the meeting in my town of Pigeon Forge yesterday, it was recommended to encourage our families & loved ones to visit those lesser traveled options, and stay away from our area while this thing spreads. Let the tourists not connected to our families be on the front lines, not our relatives. The same when Disney opens soon. Nobody connected to the Mouse is forcing a visit down there against free will. So stop blaming the destinations! We are trying our best to operate as safely as possible, needing to remain open for livelihoods, but also trying to be as honest as possible with the public as to what you're entering. That's a juggling act which is easier said than done.
Nobody comes if you don’t make a big deal of inviting them...and tourist towns haven’t had much qualms about saying they want the money and will take the risks.
The risks bring the heat. It is what it is
Not quite, because those with any sense would understand a delay in reopening and actually encourage it.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Dvc doesn’t work that way...those rooms are “declared” for timeshare ownership.Maybe part of the equation is the more DVC resort cancellations translates to more cash customers paying for the resulting vacancies. They've already pocketed the DVC money and can apologize, blaming it all on Covid.
Dvc can sell some...and fill them late in the vacancy window...but selling empty villas isn’t a practical cash cow.
milordsloth
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I have lots of sense! Maybe there's a sense translation issue, since my common sense says WDW should be able to open today with the over the top measures in place to slow the spread. A casino with slot machines can open, but Disney is too dangerous.
oceanbreeze77
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I think this is the type of headline Disney needs to consider. Just replace the Myrtle beach with Disney. Even if its just 2 people it will still look very bad.On thing that frustrates me are stories like these:
Students taking COVID-19 back from Myrtle Beach vacations
Officials say students vacationing in Myrtle Beach took back COVID-19 to West Virginia and Ohio as souvenirs.
GoofGoof
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I agree with this, it’s both. There’s a reason why Myrtle Beach has been brought up in multiple states as a source of infections. In Allegheny County PA (Pittsburgh) it was also found through contact tracing that one of the primary drivers of new cases specifically in young people was travel and Myrtle Beach was listed there too. If an area has less restrictions its going to attract people. Bars in PA were barely open but kids can get a cheap flight or drive down and condo/hotel rentals are dirt cheap in SC and the bars are open to party. From an economic perspective it may have seemed good to get all those tourists in but it was short lived gains and in a lot of states now they are going back to shutting bars down. Longer term those places would have been better having more required precautions and not had to pull back.
From the customer side, just because something is open doesn’t mean you have to go. If you get somewhere and it looks like the crowd is way too big, just go somewhere else. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and have some sense. I think the recent pull backs are hopefully a wake up call to at least some people and they will realize that having things like bars and restaurants open with some restrictions is better than having them all shut down again.
Giss Neric
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I don't see any social distancing here at all. It looks like a normal busy day opening. Wonder what will it look like in Florida and the fact that this country has the most cases.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I don‘t have a whole lot of sense left anymore, but I agree with this. WDW has a much better plan and much more restrictions than some bar in a college or beach town. That being said, I’m sure in the boardroom of TWDC (probably a zoom meeting) they are very concerned that an outbreak linked to WDW is front page news as @oceanbreeze77 said. The fear isn’t really legal liability, but a hit to the reputation of the parks as being safe and family friendly. Not saying that’s a reason to delay, but if they open during a spike in cases and an outbreak is linked to them it does make it seem even worse.
disneygeek90
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I personally don't think the measures are over the top. If they're going to open, they're quite necessary.
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