Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Labelling me a "hoaxer" doesn't change anything. Would I be any better off labelling you as "brainwashed"? (Not that I am). When you start applying titles to the opposition, you've taken a step backwards.

And it's interesting to note that you end your post with an appeal to emotion. Please don't take that as insult. Just an observation.

You're just a hoaxer apparently. Fret not, it's perfectly fine to think on your own sans persuasion.

I’m suggesting you don’t fall in that camp. Because that camp has pretty much been torched by reality. I’m suggesting it with a lot of love though...

Just a little anecdotal data from a conversation with the hair stylist that cut my hair today. She said that since the case numbers started going up, less people have been coming in for haircuts. This indicates that the data is changing behavior. She also said that people who have been coming since the reopening have commented that they feel safer getting a haircut with the procedures in place than they do shopping at Publix next door. Finally, she said that elderly customers complain about wearing masks more than the younger customers. I found that interesting since the elderly are the most at risk and should be most concerned about preventing spread.

None of this surprises me though...behaviors are altered and may never reset.

I saw somewhere that even in th “open” states...those that are turning the rudder hard now...the in person dining is severely down...part from fear or resistance and part from “retraining” for takeout. That is an economic loss. In person makes more money than a takeout order lb for lb

It’s not fair to the employees to do all this open and close bs.

And I addressed that...through July 31, the federal government was proactive and actually took care of them.

Now it’s gonna be a complete political fight moving forward that has nothing to do with them. Get your popcorn.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I hesitate to mention this... seeing as how it’s actually on topic... but Tom Bricker posted a few reviews of their DVC stay at boardwalk. Interesting read over ther at disneytouristblog.

He mentions how they made the earliest possible breakfast and dinner reservations to avoid other diners.

And how the hell does that kinda attitude translate to “reopening”...if I might ask?

 

[GoofGoof]

If WDW has issues with filling the capacity they wanna see, all they need to do is flip the switch over to open up more AP reservations. Doesn't appear to be a lack of demand on that front. I'd love to know how many resort guests without tickets there are.

It’s not about re-opening day. They are much more concerned with longer term bookings. People right now thinking about a Thanksgiving or Christmas trip may have a lot of pause given the current situation. Filling the parks with local AP holders isn’t going to move the needle on profitability. They need to fill the high price hotel rooms with tourists.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s not about re-opening day. They are much more concerned with longer term bookings. People right now thinking about a Thanksgiving or Christmas trip may have a lot of pause given the current situation. Filling the parks with local AP holders isn’t going to move the needle on profitability. They need to fill the high price hotel rooms with tourists.

A tired refrain of mine:

It doesn’t matter if they “reopen” if the place isn’t packed near immediately after.

The idea they’ll run as usual on 50% attendance is pure fantasy.

Somehow covid has erased many Disney fans short term memory regarding money...it seems

 

[disneygeek90]

It’s not about re-opening day. They are much more concerned with longer term bookings. People right now thinking about a Thanksgiving or Christmas trip may have a lot of pause given the current situation. Filling the parks with local AP holders isn’t going to move the needle on profitability. They need to fill the high price hotel rooms with tourists.

I agree. Hotels will likely be a problem for a while. There's really no fixing that until people are comfortable (or allowed) to travel again, which may be a long time.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And how the hell does that kinda attitude translate to “reopening”...if I might ask?

Excuse me?

 

[BrianLo]

also, treatment does improve over time, too. for example, doctors here found out about halfway through our peak that if you put a ventilated patient on their stomach instead of on their back, their blood-oxygen levels were significantly rising (source on that is a CNN story that i read during all this).

My issue with all these "novel treatments" is that they are already standards of care for ARDS. Which is a catch-all form of lung failure (to really oversimplify) and what intensivists were likely already doing.

I think studies just more so establish you can treat Coronavirus ARDS the same as bread and butter ARDS. But it doesn't actually impact what was already mostly being done.

Unfortunately it is being propagated as a major breakthrough. It was not.

 

[GoofGoof]

I agree. Hotels will likely be a problem for a while. There's really no fixing that until people are comfortable (or allowed) to travel again, which may be a long time.

These travel bans really don’t help. There’s a big chunk of people who effectively can’t go to FL unless they sneak there now and even people in other states not impacted see the news stories on bans and think twice about going.

 

[MrHappy]

Just a little anecdotal data from a conversation with the hair stylist that cut my hair today. She said that since the case numbers started going up, less people have been coming in for haircuts. This indicates that the data is changing behavior. She also said that people who have been coming since the reopening have commented that they feel safer getting a haircut with the procedures in place than they do shopping at Publix next door. Finally, she said that elderly customers complain about wearing masks more than the younger customers. I found that interesting since the elderly are the most at risk and should be most concerned about preventing spread.

Another one for the anecdotal showcase. We canceled a Cape May NJ trip this summer, the house rental owner said he understood, lots of uncertainty. We then booked a Cape Cod trip, that owner said he had a ton of cancellations in April and May, but the last 2 weeks his phone hasn’t stopped ringing. Which i believe based on the availability of other houses we were interested in getting snatched up all of a sudden. What this tells you is... duh duh duhhhhh

Edit: We felt Cape May was too reliant for n shops, restaurants, bars and boardwalks. We flipped to Cape Cod which can be more beaches, ponds, bike trail, and family time at the house.

 

[GoofGoof]

Another one for the anecdotal showcase. We canceled a Cape May NJ trip this summer, the house rental owner said he understood, lots of uncertainty. We then booked a Cape Cod trip, that owner said he had a ton of cancellations in April and May, but the last 2 weeks his phone hasn’t stopped ringing. Which i believe based on the availability of other houses we were interested in getting snatched up all of a sudden. What this tells you is... duh duh duhhhhh

Edit: We felt Cape May was too reliant for n shops, restaurants, bars and boardwalks. We flipped to Cape Cod which can be more beaches, ponds, bike trail, and family time at the house.

Tells me most people don‘t want to fly somewhere this summer and since international beach stuff like the Caribbean and Mexico are out and definitely cruises the local shore towns are going to be just fine, especially in the Northeast. The bars and restaurants may not be fully open but the beaches are so far.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Excuse me?

Sorry...it’s been a rough day.

I’m just commenting on the absolute absurdity of “we booked our adrs early and late to “social distance”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If WDW has issues with filling the capacity they wanna see, all they need to do is flip the switch over to open up more AP reservations. Doesn't appear to be a lack of demand on that front. I'd love to know how many resort guests without tickets there are.

I think “demand” hits the wall in August and that could be a longterm thing.

So if they have aps...and a decent amount of dvc through the end of the year...you know what that’s called?

“Financial losses”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Tells me most people don‘t want to fly somewhere this summer and since international beach stuff like the Caribbean and Mexico are out and definitely cruises the local shore towns are going to be just fine, especially in the Northeast. The bars and restaurants may not be fully open but the beaches are so far.

If the numbers start to go down again...I think you’ll see a big number of regional travelers.

But that doesn’t cover Orlando

 

[Miss Bella]

It’s not about re-opening day. They are much more concerned with longer term bookings. People right now thinking about a Thanksgiving or Christmas trip may have a lot of pause given the current situation. Filling the parks with local AP holders isn’t going to move the needle on profitability. They need to fill the high price hotel rooms with tourists.

Currently, they are just moving people from moderates and values to deluxes at no cost. I'm not sure how that's profitable. I think they're going to need to offer discounts to fill the remaining rooms. In this economy and with all the restrictions who's going to want to pay 600.00 a night.

 

[MaximumEd]

This idea it’s a constitutional/liberty issue is without merit.

I don’t know, man. I bought a new pistol today, but I had to wear a mask in the store. Did I exercise a right? Did a right get trampled on? It was a confusing time, man.

 

[GoofGoof]

Currently, they are just moving people from moderates and values to deluxes at no cost. I'm not sure how that's profitable. I think they're going to need to offer discounts to fill the remaining rooms. In this economy and with all the restrictions who's going to want to pay 600.00 a night.

Yeah, that’s a tough sell. Especially once school is back.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Sorry...it’s been a rough day.

I’m just commenting on the absolute absurdity of “we booked our adrs early and late to “social distance”

Gotcha. They were just describing their experience and even mentioned that even with that they wouldn’t dine indoors with the current case numbers in Florida. It wasn’t preachy... just these are the precautions we chose to take kinda vibe.

 

[Miss Bella]

Yeah, that’s a tough sell. Especially once school is back.

I've never seen Disney not offer discounts. Last year I got 35% off in February and that's when the economy was good. Their room prices are so over-inflated they could offer 50% off and still be profitable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Gotcha. They were just describing their experience and even mentioned that even with that they wouldn’t dine indoors with the current case numbers in Florida. It wasn’t preachy... just these are the precautions we chose to take kinda vibe.

I get that...I just think there’s an ironic duality to being “concerned” and still showing up to boardwalk.

The heart has no clue what the “head” is doing

 

[Miss Bella]

Gotcha. They were just describing their experience and even mentioned that even with that they wouldn’t dine indoors with the current case numbers in Florida. It wasn’t preachy... just these are the precautions we chose to take kinda vibe.

If I felt that way I just wouldn't go. I did enjoy their photos. It made me excited to go back.