Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Sirwalterraleigh

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It's impossible to avoid mentioning the protests because it's still the single most reported on event in our country right now. I can barely find covid articles anymore. Protests are relevant to this dialogue because they validate arguments in favor of opening Disney safely. As someone who supports everyone's right to protest, I was hoping we'd use this protest data to help apply standards across tbe board for everyone. Think of how many protests occured across the country and the consensus is still that there were no spikes associated with them. This should serve as good evidence that outdoor transmission even without social distancing is extremely rare. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they say prolonged standing outside side by side with thousands of people for hours in one place is better than spreading out at a giant capacity limited theme park that transformed itself to be safe.

We can argue the virtues of protests all day long but we have been asked to stop doing other things that are arguably more vital to a lot of people. Weddings, funerals, births, family reunions with loved ones they never see.
Some of us never will get that lost time back. We tell ourselves it was worth it to protect each other but my husband's grandmother takes medication for depression because she is extremely isolated. We are paying a lot of prices for this new normal. Taking a vacation at the one tourist destination that is taking this beyond seriously doesn't feel dangerous to me otherwise I would understand the arguments of how it's not necessary right now. There willl be untold consequences of closing again. People will be out of work again and the idea of backsliding into unemployment and all that comes with it is a crisis of its own. We need to make sure that shut downs are based on proven unacceptable risk versus a knee jerk reaction. Many businesses won't survive a second closure. I can't see how.
Covid and national security failures are the lead stories this week.

I’d look in “other places” that employ more Ivy League types if I were you
 

MrMcDuck

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It's impossible to avoid mentioning the protests because it's still the single most reported on event in our country right now. I can barely find covid articles anymore. Protests are relevant to this dialogue because they validate arguments in favor of opening Disney safely. As someone who supports everyone's right to protest, I was hoping we'd use this protest data to help apply standards across tbe board for everyone. Think of how many protests occured across the country and the consensus is still that there were no spikes associated with them. This should serve as good evidence that outdoor transmission even without social distancing is extremely rare. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they say prolonged standing outside side by side with thousands of people for hours in one place is better than spreading out at a giant capacity limited theme park that transformed itself to be safe.

We can argue the virtues of protests all day long but we have been asked to stop doing other things that are arguably more vital to a lot of people. Weddings, funerals, births, family reunions with loved ones they never see.
Some of us never will get that lost time back. We tell ourselves it was worth it to protect each other but my husband's grandmother takes medication for depression because she is extremely isolated. We are paying a lot of prices for this new normal. Taking a vacation at the one tourist destination that is taking this beyond seriously doesn't feel dangerous to me otherwise I would understand the arguments of how it's not necessary right now. There willl be untold consequences of closing again. People will be out of work again and the idea of backsliding into unemployment and all that comes with it is a crisis of its own. We need to make sure that shut downs are based on proven unacceptable risk versus a knee jerk reaction. Many businesses won't survive a second closure. I can't see how.

With all due respect, coronavirus is all over the news.
 

kong1802

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We talked a lot about schooling earlier in this thread. A statement from American Academy of Pediatrics (which I gather is a pretty well-respected organization).

"...the AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school"

I've read their recommendation...

Their main concern is that America's kids too heavily rely on schools to safeguard them. They are a main food source, and a main safety source. Also they are a guardian to check for abuse. It's a really sad reality.

Given that, some of their "guidelines" are just ridiculous and impossible to implement, which is why after all of them they say "If possible"....

There are no easy answers in this. Communities do need schools open. Kids unfortunately rely on them.
 

mickeymiss

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Clarification. I was talking about my local news. I don't watch Fox and CNN. I don't care how many "Ivy league types" they employ. Wow.
It's a deflection to say that the coverage hasn't changed everywhere though. I find the habit of picking on one little thing I say and ignoring the whole point of what I wrote exhausting. No comment on the rest huh? I'm trying to have a good faith debate of ideas and people just want to be snarky. It's not very engaging which is too bad because I enjoy the exchange of opinion.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I've read their recommendation...

Their main concern is that America's kids too heavily rely on schools to safeguard them. They are a main food source, and a main safety source. Also they are a guardian to check for abuse. It's a really sad reality.

Given that, some of their "guidelines" are just ridiculous and impossible to implement, which is why after all of them they say "If possible"....

There are no easy answers in this. Communities do need schools open. Kids unfortunately rely on them.
Was just going to respond to Kevin with almost the exact post. Thanks.
Of course we all know it’s better if the kids were in school, as the experts say. But there are so many ifs and possibles written by them besides the “in school is best”. Maybe by September, and that’s a big maybe, we can implement everything that needs to be done. We are only guessing right now.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Clarification. I was talking about my local news. I don't watch Fox and CNN. I don't care how many "Ivy league types" they employ. Wow.
It's a deflection to say that the coverage hasn't changed everywhere though. I find the habit of picking on one little thing I say and ignoring the whole point of what I wrote exhausting. No comment on the rest huh? I'm trying to have a good faith debate of ideas and people just want to be snarky. It's not very engaging which is too bad because I enjoy the exchange of opinion.
The recommendations are to wear a mask when social distancing cannot be achieved. From what I’ve seen, and most reports and videos, protesters were doing that. Which goes back to your statement. If weddings and funerals could be done the same way I would agree with you with what we know about it being last likely to get outdoors and proper restrictions in place. The problem is, with weddings, not all but most are inside. Then you have the reception. And dancing. Eating and drinking. Not a lot of social distancing or mask wearing in those instances.
As for Disney, you have the problem of people coming in from everywhere. If masks are strictly enforced along with social distancing, all big ifs because we can see how people act now when given a inch,it could work with the lower crowds. But Disney isn’t all outside. In fact I would venture to say most is inside which is were the problem comes in. Not saying it can’t be done but knowing people, and knowing it would be virtually impossible to make everyone follow the rules, it could be trouble. We are all guessing right now but also with Florida looking like the SpaceX rocket of late, along with a lot of the country, it’s seems the opening should be looked at again.
 

Disstevefan1

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Clarification. I was talking about my local news. I don't watch Fox and CNN. I don't care how many "Ivy league types" they employ. Wow.
It's a deflection to say that the coverage hasn't changed everywhere though. I find the habit of picking on one little thing I say and ignoring the whole point of what I wrote exhausting. No comment on the rest huh? I'm trying to have a good faith debate of ideas and people just want to be snarky. It's not very engaging which is too bad because I enjoy the exchange of opinion.

Its hard to get the info you are interested in because all news rooms make decisions what to run because the only have so much time, and ALL slant to one side or the other. FOX and CNN are both ends of the spectrum, local news must make choices because of time and again, have their own slant.

The only way to get the info you want is to look at multiple sources. Today, thankfully we have the Web, there is everything in every slant.
 

kong1802

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"As of 6:30 a.m. on Tuesday, June 30, the soonest available appointment was July 16. The only available sites were in Ruskin and Plant City. In other words, someone in Tampa looking to be tested is looking at a 16-day wait and a drive of at least 18 miles."

And somehow we still have such a high positivity rate?!
 

Heppenheimer

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Its hard to get the info you are interested in because all news rooms make decisions what to run because the only have so much time, and ALL slant to one side or the other. FOX and CNN are both ends of the spectrum, local news must make choices because of time and again, have their own slant.

The only way to get the info you want is to look at multiple sources. Today, thankfully we have the Web, there is everything in every slant.
For the closest thing we have to an all-encompassing news source for the general public(minus entertainment and sports, which it will only report on if it involves a larger story): The Economist. It will give you a summary of every major region of the world, plus stories that span the globe. All with copious amounts of analysis. However, as a weekly publication, there will inevitably be some lag behind the 24 hour news cycle.

The Economist is not without its own internal biases, but its point of view doesn't fit easily within the contemporary left-right political spectrum split in the US. Closest probably to the classical liberalism that the Republicans formerly espoused before the pivot to the South and Trump...
 

Chip Chipperson

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"As of 6:30 a.m. on Tuesday, June 30, the soonest available appointment was July 16. The only available sites were in Ruskin and Plant City. In other words, someone in Tampa looking to be tested is looking at a 16-day wait and a drive of at least 18 miles."

And somehow we still have such a high positivity rate?!

16 days?!?! That's absurd! Have CVS and Rite Aid opened self-testing centers in their parking lots in that area yet? They offer that is some locations in other states.
 

DCBaker

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"New Jersey list of states with surging coronavirus outbreaks that meet the criteria for a 14-day quarantine has increased to 16, as cases continue to increase rapidly in the southern United States where local officials were quicker to reopen businesses."

"The new additions from the original eight states are California, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada and Tennessee."

 

Miss Bella

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The majority of the parks in California are outdoors in the open air. They take advantage of the climate. If it’s been a while you should plan a trip when things get back to normal - it’s a way more Disney experience in my opinion even though I do love Epcot and DAK.
My hometown is twenty minutes from Disneyland. I guess I'm just not seeing how Disneyland is more outdoors than Disney World.
 

Miss Bella

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BIGLY...very bigly

...oh here we go...

Ehhh...If you want to be “the voice of reason”...you can’t go to the tired old “blame the media” nonsense prior.

I mean...that has been consistently what fools resort to when they run out of failed theories to shout. This isn’t new.

Look for facts and observe what humans do in situations...and always follow the money.

There - I just explained how everyone can see through “media bias”

It’s works every single time. It’s common sense applied.
I guarantee you I'm no fool. Oh BTW you liked one of the posts and I'm pretty sure I wasn't referring to the same rally you were. HA. Anybody that doesn't see how the media tries to manipulate the masses is a.....
 
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disneygeek90

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We talked a lot about schooling earlier in this thread. A statement from American Academy of Pediatrics (which I gather is a pretty well-respected organization).

"...the AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school"
I don't understand how schools can operate in less than 2 months. It seems like the worst of everything all at once. Kids in the same classroom for hours, likely not distanced, who knows about masks. We know there's not enough teachers to keep classroom sizes down. Then after a nice long day being around the same kids (and their teacher) they go home and take it all to mom and dad, and maybe grandma too.
 

kong1802

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I don't understand how schools can operate in less than 2 months. It seems like the worst of everything all at once. Kids in the same classroom for hours, likely not distanced, who knows about masks. We know there's not enough teachers to keep classroom sizes down. Then after a nice long day being around the same kids (and their teacher) they go home and take it all to mom and dad, and maybe grandma too.

DW is a teacher at a school that has 3200 kids. Their plan right now is to only bring kids in for 2 in class days per week. Masks required in hallways, not classrooms (which doesn't make much sense to me). She is free to of course wear one. No details on lunch or bell schedules. Last year she had 35 kids in one class in a room that used to be designated as a closet...... I don't know how they pull it off. I think right now the hope is that more kids choose the 100% online option, but that requires specific enrollment and I don't know that that happens, currently that hasn't happened in enough numbers to move the needle on class size.
 
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