Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Miss Bella

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It's impossible to avoid mentioning the protests because it's still the single most reported on event in our country right now. I can barely find covid articles anymore. Protests are relevant to this dialogue because they validate arguments in favor of opening Disney safely. As someone who supports everyone's right to protest, I was hoping we'd use this protest data to help apply standards across tbe board for everyone. Think of how many protests occured across the country and the consensus is still that there were no spikes associated with them. This should serve as good evidence that outdoor transmission even without social distancing is extremely rare. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they say prolonged standing outside side by side with thousands of people for hours in one place is better than spreading out at a giant capacity limited theme park that transformed itself to be safe.

We can argue the virtues of protests all day long but we have been asked to stop doing other things that are arguably more vital to a lot of people. Weddings, funerals, births, family reunions with loved ones they never see.
Some of us never will get that lost time back. We tell ourselves it was worth it to protect each other but my husband's grandmother takes medication for depression because she is extremely isolated. We are paying a lot of prices for this new normal. Taking a vacation at the one tourist destination that is taking this beyond seriously doesn't feel dangerous to me otherwise I would understand the arguments of how it's not necessary right now. There willl be untold consequences of closing again. People will be out of work again and the idea of backsliding into unemployment and all that comes with it is a crisis of its own. We need to make sure that shut downs are based on proven unacceptable risk versus a knee jerk reaction. Many businesses won't survive a second closure. I can't see how.
I agree, but it depends on what media outlets you watch and read.
 

disneygeek90

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DW is a teacher at a school that has 3200 kids. Their plan right now is to only bring kids in for 2 in class days per week. Masks required in hallways, not classrooms (which doesn't make much sense to me). She is free to of course wear one. No details on lunch or bell schedules. Last year she had 35 kids in one class in a room that used to be designated as a closet...... I don't know how they pull it off. I think right now the hope is that more kids choose the 100% online option, but that requires specific enrollment and I don't know that that happens, currently that hasn't happened in enough numbers to move the needle on class size.
Two of my closest friends are teachers so I've been asking them about their plans as well. I think staggering is smart. It's similar to what my office is doing as well. The person next to me is at the office Mon/Wed and I'm there Tues/Thurs. I just don't see how you go back to 100% capacity in schools when basically nothing else in the country is 100%.

My one friend even mentioned lunch would be in their own class. No idea if they're going through with it and as you know it changes seemingly every day, but I know that's been discussed.
 

InnKpr

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I don't understand how schools can operate in less than 2 months. It seems like the worst of everything all at once. Kids in the same classroom for hours, likely not distanced, who knows about masks. We know there's not enough teachers to keep classroom sizes down. Then after a nice long day being around the same kids (and their teacher) they go home and take it all to mom and dad, and maybe grandma too.
Yeah this Fall is going to be... interesting.
Buckle up.
 

oceanbreeze77

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I think the schooling decision is going to ride a ton on what we find out about indoor exposure to the virus. Right now indoor exposure is being looked at as a VERY risky thing, and this would definitely present an issue for schooling.
 

oceanbreeze77

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I don't understand how schools can operate in less than 2 months. It seems like the worst of everything all at once. Kids in the same classroom for hours, likely not distanced, who knows about masks. We know there's not enough teachers to keep classroom sizes down. Then after a nice long day being around the same kids (and their teacher) they go home and take it all to mom and dad, and maybe grandma too.
not only that, teachers can't be expected to teach, enforce everyday rules, AND enforce coronavirus rules. Kids are kids, its just too much.
 

DisneyCane

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Its hard to get the info you are interested in because all news rooms make decisions what to run because the only have so much time, and ALL slant to one side or the other. FOX and CNN are both ends of the spectrum, local news must make choices because of time and again, have their own slant.

The only way to get the info you want is to look at multiple sources. Today, thankfully we have the Web, there is everything in every slant.

Slight correction. It's not really the time available that makes the decision about what to run, it is what they think will get the highest ratings from their target audience.
 

GoofGoof

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Here’s my 2 cents on protests. There’s no conceivable way that the protests did not lead to new cases. Some people definitely got infected at protests. That’s a fact. In many of the large urban centers in the NE and Midwest we did not see a large spike in cases after weeks of protests. This is also a fact. It’s actually pretty shocking to see IMHO. Both of those things can be true. So stop with this straw man argument about people saying the protests caused no infection. It was mentioned earlier that it’s possible that the protests themselves resulted in some of the people who didn’t take part staying home more to avoid those large crowds. This is especially true in large cities where the crowds were hard to avoid otherwise. So maybe the uptick in cases from people at the protests was masked by the decrease in cases from less other activity. Impossible to prove but a valid theory. In my opinion the fact that people took to the streets in protests is not a valid excuse for other people to do what they want now. Saying things like if people gathered for protests then why can’t theme parks or bars or beaches for the 4th of July be open is doing just that.
 

oceanbreeze77

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there is so much to consider on schooling.

Can we run the air-conditioning in these hot months??? -supposedly the AC may be a spreader.
How do we get kids food?
A lot of teaching is Hands on- how do we keep teachers safe??
I have a lot of teacher friends who are afraid of the virus, what happens if all the teachers say no?- there is ALREADY a teacher shortage


The school battle is going to be nasty
 

GoofGoof

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It's impossible to avoid mentioning the protests because it's still the single most reported on event in our country right now. I can barely find covid articles anymore. Protests are relevant to this dialogue because they validate arguments in favor of opening Disney safely. As someone who supports everyone's right to protest, I was hoping we'd use this protest data to help apply standards across tbe board for everyone. Think of how many protests occured across the country and the consensus is still that there were no spikes associated with them. This should serve as good evidence that outdoor transmission even without social distancing is extremely rare. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they say prolonged standing outside side by side with thousands of people for hours in one place is better than spreading out at a giant capacity limited theme park that transformed itself to be safe.
If the theme park closed all indoor venues (rides, shops, restaurants, transportation, hotel lobbies) then it would be fair to say theme parks are the equivalent to standing outside in a group. The logic applies well to a zoo where there’s very little activity that’s not outside.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Slight correction. It's not really the time available that makes the decision about what to run, it is what they think will get the highest ratings from their target audience.
We also have many networks, from overseas who could care less about our politics here and just report the news whether our leaders did something good or bad. They, along with doing our own homework can usually get to the truth.
 

DisneyCane

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Here’s my 2 cents on protests. There’s no conceivable way that the protests did not lead to new cases. Some people definitely got infected at protests. That’s a fact. In many of the large urban centers in the NE and Midwest we did not see a large spike in cases after weeks of protests. This is also a fact. It’s actually pretty shocking to see IMHO. Both of those things can be true. So stop with this straw man argument about people saying the protests caused no infection. It was mentioned earlier that it’s possible that the protests themselves resulted in some of the people who didn’t take part staying home more to avoid those large crowds. This is especially true in large cities where the crowds were hard to avoid otherwise. So maybe the uptick in cases from people at the protests was masked by the decrease in cases from less other activity. Impossible to prove but a valid theory. In my opinion the fact that people took to the streets in protests is not a valid excuse for other people to do what they want now. Saying things like if people gathered for protests then why can’t theme parks or bars or beaches for the 4th of July be open is doing just that.
I don't think anybody is suggesting that nobody got infected at a protest. The suggestion is that there was no major spike or outbreak related to the protests. The logic has to flow from there that any other outdoor activity with similar social behavior won't cause a major spike either.

Bars are different because they are indoors and enclosed. Beaches are not different and shouldn't be an issue. Neither should outdoor sports venues.
 

Miss Bella

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If the theme park closed all indoor venues (rides, shops, restaurants, transportation, hotel lobbies) then it would be fair to say theme parks are the equivalent to standing outside in a group. The logic applies well to a zoo where there’s very little activity that’s not outside.
Yeah, but we're all going to wear a mask because masks protect us. That is what I've read on here for months.
 
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