Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

They will open when its safe to do so.

There are enough states to show that shutting down did work. Look at the NE, MI, WA, OR.

Hmmm...Michigan has almost 6,000 deaths, which is a lot more than Florida. And they got there with a lot less cases. New cases have been declining, which is good news for sure. A slight uptick the last few days I believe but nothing crazy.

Cases in Washington and been bouncing all over the place. Definitely not declining. Up recently. Cases in Oregon are also increasing.

 

[kong1802]

How do you know these states won’t eventually have an outbreak.? I think it’s way to early for any state to start bragging.

Didn’t go well for Florida about 3 weeks ago...

Not wishing for anything, but no one should be celebrating low numbers anywhere just yet.

 

[hopemax]

Could you please share with us how you know there WILL be spread of covid around the parks? I don’t doubt that someone might end up at the parks who coincidentally had asymptomatic covid but that is true anywhere. It doesn’t mean it will spread. Hunches aren’t scientific and I’d argue that we have zero evidence of spread at theme parks. There’s a reason why experts emphasize close contact because that continues to be the most likely route of transmission. Even this spike bears that out. It’s not what we want to see but it’s almost certainly people doing high risk things. You wouldn’t be considered close contact, for example, if you went to Walmart on the same day as an infected employee. Even if they could trace that you were there, you’re not a contact. You’d never be included in any trace investigation for momentary exposure to someone especially a stranger. That has been the guidance all along. 15 minutes or more face to face. Since everything we do is fairly momentary at Disney, nobody is at high risk and a mask secures that risk is further minimized whenever you are in lines or indoors.

There will be spread at WDW because its operations are the equivalent of a medium-large city. Do you believe this virus does not spread in cities? That's not a hunch, that's logic.

WDW isn't just a "business" like a restaurant or Walmart. It is a city, and we need to not pretend it isn't because we're all emotionally messed up right now. We haven't shut down cities, so there is valid discussion about it being open. But that has to come with the realistic assumption that if it is open, there will be spread. Are we and are Disney okay with that? That's the question.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Hmmm...Michigan has almost 6,000 deaths, which is a lot more than Florida. And they got there with a lot less cases. New cases have been declining, which is good. A slight uptick the last few days I believe but nothing crazy.

Cases in Washington and been bouncing all over the place. Definitely not declining. Up recently. Cases in Oregon are also increasing.

ive noticed the slight increases, they're not concerning, yet, but remember, Washington was THE hotspot for the United States at the start of all of this. And then it wasn't. They did a great job at stopping it in its tracks.

 

[mickeymiss]

This is false. There are plenty of states that are doing very well in keeping their cases very low right now, unless you are suggesting a grand cover-up? Florida is among the worst in the country right now. There's quite a bit of middle ground between "zero cases" and Florida's current situation.

Your philosophy of 'keep everything moving as normal until we understand it more' is interesting. Most people feel that the opposite is the prudent way of dealing with a potentially dangerous situation.

I’m seeing data from Minnesota showing a big increase in young people when they had previously said there was none. It doesn’t have to be a cover up. It could be muted data in an effort to highlight the struggle in Florida. I won’t let anyone tell me that the media has had no agenda ✌Florida’s death rate remains so much lower than the fingers that wag at them. My small state had a huge uptick the other day and we have been among the last to open anything. Nobody responded when I pointed out that NH has 300 deaths and only 1 million population. Orange County in Florida has a million people and 56 deaths last I checked. That seems like a good place for a densely populated county to be compared to rural NH. Unless you are suggesting a grand cover up

There could be so many reasons for spikes. Until they tell us, it’s pure speculation and not a good idea to make big decisions without facts. However we all may feel about it, Disney worked hard to get ready for an opening. Many moving parts and we should all agree that asking them to close should be based on data relevant to theme parks. Otherwise, everything should be closed because we can’t prove it’s safe? Since most people say they aren’t in favor of another lockdown, what else is there to do but open with safety measures? I feel like we’ve drawn a clear line between safe opening and unsafe opening. Disney falls under safe and nobody has been able to explain why it’s not.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

How do you know these states won’t eventually have an outbreak.? I think it’s way to early for any state to start bragging.

of course any state is susceptible, but these states did a great job at mitigation when they were supposed to and are just now opening up. Opening up was always going to bring an uptick in cases, but how much of an uptick all depends on when states open up, and how states manage the upticks.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Again, I'm seeing a ton about the death rates, and while it is important, what's perhaps more important is what we dont know yet. What happens to survivors??? What happens to asymptomatic people down the line???

 

[GoofGoof]

How do you know these states won’t eventually have an outbreak.? I think it’s way to early for any state to start bragging.

This is true. The states that took their big victory laps in May and the governors that patted themselves on the back the most are facing some of the biggest spikes today. Definitely not wise to assume victory for anyone.

 

[xdan0920]

"Sweden’s 5,230 deaths translates to a toll per million inhabitants of 511, many times higher than the corresponding totals in neighbouring Denmark (104), Finland (59) and Norway (47), all of which imposed strict confinements – but lower than the 650 registered in the UK, Spain’s 606 and Italy’s 573."

Swedes rapidly losing trust in Covid-19 strategy, poll finds

Political parties demand Sweden’s strategy be reviewed before next election in 2022

www.theguardian.com

Interesting thread.

 

[hopemax]

ive noticed the slight increases, they're not concerning, yet, but remember, Washington was THE hotspot for the United States at the start of all of this. And then it wasn't. They did a great job at stopping it in its tracks.

Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. The western, blue side shut it down. The eastern, red side, centered in Yakima. Lots of migrant workers, lots of freedom types, little interest in shutting things down, and so it's exploding again.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I’m seeing data from Minnesota showing a big increase in young people when they had previously said there was none. It doesn’t have to be a cover up. It could be muted data in an effort to highlight the struggle in Florida. I won’t let anyone tell me that the media has had no agenda ✌

So, skip the media reports and go straight to the state health websites. Every state that I have checked publishes their data openly.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This is true. The states that took their big victory laps in May and the governors that patted themselves on the back the most are facing some of the biggest spikes today. Definitely not wise to assume victory for anyone.

again that's why I say it also depends on when states open. Here in CA we took a victory lap, then we proceeded to reopening everything without letting the dust settle and now look at us. A hot mess!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. The western, blue side shut it down. The eastern, red side, centered in Yakima. Lots of migrant workers, lots of freedom types, little interest in shutting things down, and so it's exploding again.

oh dang, I didn't see that.

 

[DCBaker]

The city of Jacksonville has announced that masks will be mandatory indoors and in public places where social distancing is not possible.

 

[Jrb1979]

I’m seeing data from Minnesota showing a big increase in young people when they had previously said there was none. It doesn’t have to be a cover up. It could be muted data in an effort to highlight the struggle in Florida. I won’t let anyone tell me that the media has had no agenda ✌Florida’s death rate remains so much lower than the fingers that wag at them. My small state had a huge uptick the other day and we have been among the last to open anything. Nobody responded when I pointed out that NH has 300 deaths and only 1 million population. Orange County in Florida has a million people and 56 cases last I checked. That seems like a good place for a densely populated county to be. Unless you are suggesting a grand cover up

There could be so many reasons for spikes. Until they tell us, it’s pure speculation and not a good idea to make big decisions without facts. However we all may feel about it, Disney worked hard to get ready for an opening. Many moving parts and we should all agree that asking them to close should be based on data relevant to theme parks. Otherwise, everything should be closed because we can’t prove it’s safe? Since most people say they aren’t in favor of another lockdown, what else is there to do but open with safety measures? I feel like we’ve drawn a clear line between safe opening and unsafe opening. Disney falls under safe and nobody has been able to explain why it’s not.

I can only speak to what has been done in the province I live in. None of our theme parks have an opening date yet. The concern with theme parks has to do with the amount of people in the parks. No matter how many safety measures they put in there still will be a lot of people in the parks. Even with social distancing in queues you will be around people for an extended period of time.

 

[Andrew C]

When Texas started to open up in early May (things like patio seating only and 25% capacity), the positivity rate was below 5%, which is where you want to be. It held below 5% for pretty much the entire month. Even through much of June, it was close to 6%. But then it started shooting up significantly. So you can feel comfortable at one moment (where the population lets their guard down, which I believe was the case in Texas), and before you know it...

 

[Rider]

The Michigan outbreak was mainly in the Detroit area where public health spending hasn't been a top priority for leaders. It was also early before we knew a lot about the virus. But since then the state has done a good job of keeping it under control. There were rumors going around my MI friends that they are planning on rolling back on allowing indoor dining at restaurants. We will see if that happens but it would be a lot more proactive than other states.

Related: Here is how some Detroit attractions are reopening. Sounds a lot like Disney.

Detroit Zoo and Henry Ford reopen with limited visitors, frustrating some guests

Pandemic-era capacity limits at area attractions like the Detroit Zoo and the Henry Ford can mean some confusion, and smaller crowds.

www.freep.com

 

[milordsloth]

Even with social distancing in queues you will be around people for an extended period of time.

With the social distancing plans they have in place, I really don't imagine being within 6ft of other people for even close to 15min., which is when the risk of infection increases significantly.

 

[Andrew C]

With the social distancing plans they have in place, I really don't imagine being within 6ft of other people for even close to 15min., which is when the risk of infection increases significantly.

I also think line movement is going to be more continuous. I THINK that is what is occurring at other parks.

 

[Rider]

Other parks don't have everyone at the park in line for Rise of the Resistance at the same time so we will see how that is handled.