Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyOutsider]

I’m seeing data from Minnesota showing a big increase in young people when they had previously said there was none. It doesn’t have to be a cover up. It could be muted data in an effort to highlight the struggle in Florida. I won’t let anyone tell me that the media has had no agenda ✌Florida’s death rate remains so much lower than the fingers that wag at them. My small state had a huge uptick the other day and we have been among the last to open anything. Nobody responded when I pointed out that NH has 300 deaths and only 1 million population. Orange County in Florida has a million people and 56 deaths last I checked. That seems like a good place for a densely populated county to be compared to rural NH. Unless you are suggesting a grand cover up

There could be so many reasons for spikes. Until they tell us, it’s pure speculation and not a good idea to make big decisions without facts. However we all may feel about it, Disney worked hard to get ready for an opening. Many moving parts and we should all agree that asking them to close should be based on data relevant to theme parks. Otherwise, everything should be closed because we can’t prove it’s safe? Since most people say they aren’t in favor of another lockdown, what else is there to do but open with safety measures? I feel like we’ve drawn a clear line between safe opening and unsafe opening. Disney falls under safe and nobody has been able to explain why it’s not.

Sooo you think that other states are under-reporting their numbers in a coordinated effort to make Florida look bad..

You'll believe what you want to believe, apparently.

 

[kong1802]

I also think line movement is going to be more continuous. I THINK that is what is occurring at other parks.

Without FP and with lower attendance most lines will move through at a great pace.

It’s the RoTR that I’m unsure of. And ToT (Is that open?)

 

[mickeymiss]

Again, I'm seeing a ton about the death rates, and while it is important, what's perhaps more important is what we dont know yet. What happens to survivors??? What happens to asymptomatic people down the line???

Weren’t we told to expect many more cases? Fauci repeatedly said that the stay home orders were for flattening the curve only. It was never the plan to shut down indefinitely and people resisted after months of it because harm was being done. I know some people (not you) don’t want to see that but so much harm was done to so many people by the shutdown. Myself included. We can’t sustain a public health crisis and an economic crisis. The dam broke. Now we have to use our own risk assessment skills to make decisions like we always have had to do as humans. This won’t be the last pandemic and it’s not the only infectious threat we face. Flu season already has its crosshairs on us. Our survival depends on dual strategies. Masks and distancing are the best we have. I’m all about enforcing that at this point.

 

[Rider]

Weren’t we told to expect many more cases? Fauci repeatedly said that the stay home orders were for flattening the curve only. It was never the plan to shut down indefinitely and people resisted after months of it because harm was being done. I know some people (not you) don’t want to see that but so much harm was done to so many people by the shutdown. Myself included. We can’t sustain a public health crisis and an economic crisis. The dam broke. Now we have to use our own risk assessment skills to make decisions like we always have had to do as humans. This won’t be the last pandemic and it’s not the only infectious threat we face. Flu season already has its crosshairs on us. Our survival depends on dual strategies. Masks and distancing are the best we have. I’m all about enforcing that at this point.

Florida's curve is not flat.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Weren’t we told to expect many more cases? Fauci repeatedly said that the stay home orders were for flattening the curve only. It was never the plan to shut down indefinitely and people resisted after months of it because harm was being done. I know some people (not you) don’t want to see that but so much harm was done to so many people by the shutdown. Myself included. We can’t sustain a public health crisis and an economic crisis. The dam broke. Now we have to use our own risk assessment skills to make decisions like we always have had to do as humans. This won’t be the last pandemic and it’s not the only infectious threat we face. Flu season already has its crosshairs on us. Our survival depends on dual strategies. Masks and distancing are the best we have. I’m all about enforcing that at this point.

Florida's curve is not flat.

But even if it were flat the flat is too high.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Where else? A curling match?

Don’t go there. I’m a American and love curling and Tim Hortons.

 

[milordsloth]

Without FP and with lower attendance most lines will move through at a great pace.

It’s the RoTR that I’m unsure of. And ToT (Is that open?)

The lines will be moving slower for sure with the lower capacity on the rides from social distancing. Although, I imagine the lines on most rides won't be very long with the capped attendance.

 

[Andrew C]

Don’t go there. I’m a American and live curling and Tim Hortons.

I love one of those two things...

 

[milordsloth]

Other parks don't have everyone at the park in line for Rise of the Resistance at the same time so we will see how that is handled.

I think the lines will all be handled well. I am much more interested to see how the opening day rope-drop crowds will be handled. I'll be there opening day to find out!

 

[mickeymiss]

Sooo you think that other states are under-reporting their numbers in a coordinated effort to make Florida look bad..

You'll believe what you want to believe, apparently.

No actually but lots of people (not necessarily you) have suggested Florida is under reporting. I think it’s possible that the media is muting public data (as in quieting it) to dunk on southern states because of how ratcheted up the NY versus FL feud was getting. This is proven via their deliberate omission of California from a lot of media outlets despite them being on a bad trend too. I think we will all encounter spikes from opening. Most states are in some stage of opening. It was quicker for Florida because they were first to open but I will start questioning the data for sure if NY doesn’t have a similar situation. None of it means anyone “did it better“ than the other. It’s just proof that what Fauci said was right. We were never going to get rid of the virus. We were going to take care of those at highest risk and protect hospital capacity. It was all experimental and we were never overrun anywhere. Shutdowns are not a long term strategy. They were never supposed to be. ✌

 

[mickeymiss]

I think the lines will all be handled well. I am much more interested to see how the opening day rope-drop crowds will be handled. I'll be there opening day to find out!

One big fail was the elimination of early magic hours. Everyone showing up at once could be controlled better if resort guests came at a different time versus all at once. Did I miss how that wouldn’t work?

 

[GoofGoof]

The lines will be moving slower for sure with the lower capacity on the rides from social distancing. Although, I imagine the lines on most rides won't be very long with the capped attendance.

Plus no FP so no waiting for FP groups in the standby queue.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Without FP and with lower attendance most lines will move through at a great pace.

It’s the RoTR that I’m unsure of. And ToT (Is that open?)

My experience is from Disneyland, but I encountered very little line on Rise of the Resistance. Using the boarding pass system, I didn't stop walking in the entrance queue until just before the first briefing room.

 

[hopemax]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

That graph... ☹ just to break it down.

In FL, the peak for COVID-19 cases in the 75-84 age group, peaked on April 3 at 114 daily cases. For the 85+ age group, peaked on April 23 at 104.

Now: 250ish and 175ish.

 

[GoofGoof]

One big fail was the elimination of early magic hours. Everyone showing up at once could be controlled better if resort guests came at a different time versus all at once. Did I miss how that wouldn’t work?

The park opening times are staggered so that the buses can be reallocated for surges at opening and closing with all parks open for 10 hours.

• AK 8am and 6pm
• MK 9 and 7
• DHS 10 and 8
• EPCOT 11 and 9

 

[GoofGoof]

My experience is from Disneyland, but I encountered very little line on Rise of the Resistance. Using the boarding pass system, I didn't stop walking in the entrance queue until just before the first briefing room.

I would think something like Frozen or Soarin which will need to drop to half capacity to physical distance will be a delay in boarding. Some rides won’t see much delay from physical distancing capacity limits so they should move a lot faster than normal with less crowds and no FP people “cutting“ the line.

 

[Heppenheimer]

No actually but lots of people (not necessarily you) have suggested Florida is under reporting. I think it’s possible that the media is muting public data (as in quieting it) to dunk on southern states because of how ratcheted up the NY versus FL feud was getting. This is proven via their deliberate omission of California from a lot of media outlets despite them being on a bad trend too. I think we will all encounter spikes from opening. Most states are in some stage of opening. It was quicker for Florida because they were first to open but I will start questioning the data for sure if NY doesn’t have a similar situation. None of it means anyone “did it better“ than the other. It’s just proof that what Fauci said was right. We were never going to get rid of the virus. We were going to take care of those at highest risk and protect hospital capacity. It was all experimental and we were never overrun anywhere. Shutdowns are not a long term strategy. They were never supposed to be. ✌

I repeat, if you have any doubt, avoid the media reports and go directly to the state public health websites. All the data is openly available to the general public.

 

[kong1802]

I would think something like Frozen or Soarin which will need to drop to half capacity to physical distance will be a delay in boarding. Some rides won’t see much delay from physical distancing capacity limits so they should move a lot faster than normal with less crowds and no FP people “cutting“ the line.

The omnimovers like HM and Buzz should be walk ons all day essentially, right? I'm sure they will load every other car or whatnot and probably skip show scenes like stretching room, but without FP I imagine there will be little delay.

I wouldn't risk it personally, but to those who are going lines I don't think will be an issue for the most part.

 

[Jrb1979]

No actually but lots of people (not necessarily you) have suggested Florida is under reporting. I think it’s possible that the media is muting public data to dunk on southern states because of how ratcheted up the NY versus FL feud was getting. This is proven via their deliberate omission of California from a lot of media outlets despite them being on a bad trend too. I think we will all encounter spikes from opening. Most states are in some stage of opening. It was quicker for Florida because they were first to open but I will start questioning the data for sure if NY doesn’t have a similar situation. None of it means anyone “did it better“ than the other. It’s just proof that what Fauci said was right. We were never going to get rid of the virus. We were going to take care of those at highest risk and protect hospital capacity. It was all experimental and we were never overrun anywhere. Shutdowns are not a long term strategy. They were never supposed to be. ✌

No shutdowns were not a long term solution. I look at how things opened here in Ontario and can't figure out why all states follow the same. We are in phase 2 now and all retail are open with limited capacity. Bars and restaurants are open but only patios allowed. Theme parks are not allowed to open at this time.

I ask again what is wrong with doing that strategy?