News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

DCBaker

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Guess you missed the part where the California Disney union has come to an agreement with Disney regarding Disneyland since then and then Union is ready to get back to work.

There are several unions. Workers United Local 50 (they represent ~7,850 F&B workers) have not come to an agreement yet.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Would you care to enlighten us as to who these experts are? Because right now WHO has it pegged at upwards of 40% of cases are asymtomatic (down from an 80% estimation in March), and theres many papers suggesting similar figures, the lowest repuatable ones suggeting 20%.

Even taking the sole lowest figure of 20% thats not "rare" by any stretch.
I honestly don't think you understand what "asymptomatic transmission" means.

If a sick person infects 5 people, and 2 of those people are asymptomatic and 3 of those people are symptomatic, that's 40% of cases that are asymptomatic. None of that is "asymptomatic transmission." If the first guy was symptomatic, that's 100% symptomatic transmission.
 

Jrb1979

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and mask are not required or being worn by many
No but the difference people here for the most part are following the guidelines. I think being fined for not complying is a big for that. As well as most don't want to go back to being in lockdown.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
So all of this has spread from people feeling sick but who ventured out anyway to the stores, restaurants and gatherings spreading to others? After everything that we have been through the past 3 months? Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
The math seems hard to believe. So if 9,000 people test positive in a day and on average every sick person infects 2 additional people that’s 4,500 people (the vast majority with active symptoms) wandering around infecting people. That’s just 1 day as an example. Seems more likely a larger number of those people didn’t know they were sick then that they just went out anyway even though they had symptoms. If it’s true asymptomatic spread is rare then mask rules are even more important because that means a lot of sick people with symptoms are just going out anyway and putting others at risk.
 

legwand77

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No but the difference people here for the most part are following the guidelines. I think being fined for not complying is a big for that. As well as most don't want to go back to being in lockdown.
and it is pretty much the same in here in the states as well, of course with the outliers that have been amplified it does not appear to be, but it is.
 

Chi84

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I wonder if people aren't mixing up the concepts of asymptomatic spread and degree of contagion. It's true that asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread occur, but a person is most likely to get infected if they are in prolonged contact with an infected person, primarily indoors. Even then, there was a study linked here a few days ago that showed the spouse of an infected person had a 27.8% chance of becoming infected and other members of the household had a 19% chance. These are people in direct contact with an infected person. When the infected person self-isolated in the home after showing symptoms, no other members of the household contracted the virus. Sorry I don't have the link handy right now.

My understanding is that social distancing and masks are meant to curtail widespread transmission of the virus. This is vital because, according to the latest information from the CDC, 94% of the people in this country do not have the virus - we can still curtail the spread if we follow the recommended measures. Maybe I'm misreading some of the comments here, but it seems as though some people believe they are in great danger if someone walks past them not wearing a mask simply because of "asymptomatic spread."
 

legwand77

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and of the people that had 84% didn't realize it. Bunch of bars there too.

 

legwand77

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trojanjustin

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"This virus is real but the media chooses to cover it in a way to maximize harm to Trump to ensure that Joe Biden is elected in November" is indisputably true.

What? I don't want to get too political but it's not the media. The way Trump is handling this is basically ensuring Joe Biden is elected. Trump saying things like "it's 15 cases it'll be back to zero soon" or any number of other outright falsehoods, in the face of the greatest pandemic we've seen in 100 years, should be considered a Biden campaign donation by the FEC.

We are the only country without a comprehensive federal response to this virus. The EU is banning us, along with Russia and Brazil from traveling there, for failure to manage this. Are you not embarrassed to be singled out with Russia and Brazil as truly inept?

This, but not sarcastically.

There is no "shut down to limit total cases." That's not an option. At best, even another full shutdown will do nothing but delay the inevitable. Absent a vaccine, cases will continue to rise no matter what. That's just a fact. As long as hospitalizations aren't straining capacity, we just have to accept it.

"Flatten the curve" doesn't limit cases. It just spreads cases out over time so that the peak doesn't exceed hospital capacity. The area under the curve is the same.

Again, just not true. Sorry. People seem to have amnesia or selective memory when it comes to this. Yes a big part of the shut down was to manage hospital capacity. The other big part was to keep cases as minimal as possible to allow us time to do at least one of a few things (establish a robust contact tracing apparatus as has been done successfully in other countries, develop a therapeutic, etc). Since none of that happened, we just kind of pretended it wasn't an issue anymore and opened things back up. We made this political when it should not have been.
 

lilypgirl

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And if even if that was the case, the Toddler-in-Chief is making their goal really, really easy.
Yeah that’s what you guys said in 201 5 and well that didn’t end real well for many! It will be interesting to watch it all play out again.

Your comment by the way is super mature and totally wants me to take political advice from you.
 

Jwink

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What? I don't want to get too political but it's not the media. The way Trump is handling this is basically ensuring Joe Biden is elected. Trump saying things like "it's 15 cases it'll be back to zero soon" or any number of other outright falsehoods, in the face of the greatest pandemic we've seen in 100 years, should be considered a Biden campaign donation by the FEC.

We are the only country without a comprehensive federal response to this virus. The EU is banning us, along with Russia and Brazil from traveling there, for failure to manage this. Are you not embarrassed to be singled out with Russia and Brazil as truly inept?



Again, just not true. Sorry. People seem to have amnesia or selective memory when it comes to this. Yes a big part of the shut down was to manage hospital capacity. The other big part was to keep cases as minimal as possible to allow us time to do at least one of a few things (establish a robust contact tracing apparatus as has been done successfully in other countries, develop a therapeutic, etc). Since none of that happened, we just kind of pretended it wasn't an issue anymore and opened things back up. We made this political when it should not have been.
From my understanding other countries have been able to curb the virus because their government has given them money to stay home. There was no insane push to go back to work in dangerous situations. I wish our leaders cared that much for us!
 
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