Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

Incompetence. Time to clear the decks and “fire” some people

I see what you did there

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I see what you did there

See...I debated whether I needed to mention a “boardroom” too?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

See...I debated whether I needed to mention a “boardroom” too?

The "reality" is we are in deep trouble

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The "reality" is we are in deep trouble

...a topic for another time and place

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I wish listened to the healthcare workers more. Many of them are pleading for help. Santa barbaras health officials just begged the local government to please stop opening things. They are on the frontlines. They get to really see what's happening.

 

[Andrew C]

1. Of course they do
2. Has Florida helped itself in this case?

(Many states can put themselves in your sentence and be true. And all of them also don’t help themselves much)

ehh. They were giving Florida a hard time even when they were in great shape, compared to others. Some were rooting for this rise to occur since April. Unfair treatment for that state isn’t new though. It’s sad.
I hope for everyone living there they can keep hospitalizations under control and limit new deaths as much as possible.

 

[Prince-1]

ehh. They were giving Florida a hard time even when they were in great shape, compared to others. Some were rooting for this rise to occur since April. Unfair treatment for that state isn’t new though. It’s sad.
I hope for everyone living there they can keep hospitalizations under control and limit new deaths as much as possible.

Perhaps if Floridians, especially those in South Florida, stay home, wear masks when they do go out, and properly socially distance themselves then your hopes will come true. Based on the shockingly high new cases being reported last week I doubt it.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Crazy we don’t see any headlines that the daily death rate from Covid is now down over 90% from the peak in April. Sounds like amazing news if you ask me. Less than 5% of all deaths today were related to Covid. Nothing said about the other 95% in health news today.

“From Infection to Recovery: How Long It Lasts”

From the article:

“Among those who die, the final outcome can come as quickly as two weeks after symptoms start, or up to eight weeks later. Add a possible 14-day incubation period, and the longest likely scenario, then, is 10 total weeks from the time of infection to a person’s death.”

So......stay tuned!!!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/elemental.medium.com/amp/p/199e266fd018

 

[Prince-1]

That we are....

Part two of the video. Spoiler alert...the old man loses.

 

[MisterPenguin]

As I made clear earlier those numbers can and have been skewed to generate a narrative.

Source?

Even people who died in car accidents and who tested positive were counted.

Source?

Nursing homes where completely avoidable deaths took place are counted.

A huge portion of deaths could have been avoided if everyone wore masks and socially distanced and continued to do so. But, those deaths are counted.

The idea that you want the death count (closing in on half a million) to be discounted because the virus got into some nursing homes is ludicrous.

Besides only 5% of the elderly population are in nursing homes, so, even if you did discount nursing home deaths, it'd hardly budge the overall numbers.

This shows that you don't know what your talking about.

Thousands of people die everyday and there are huge numbers of deaths in years before this pandemic.

You are minimizing the problem with deflection. "Look at the number of deaths X causes!" Doesn't matter.

We have a killer virus on the loose and its still killing. We don't let serial killers just go about their murders because of the number of deaths caused by car accidents is so much larger.

Finally, I read that 25% of colds previous to this year were from this virus but different strains. So anyone who has had four colds in their life (who hasn't?) probably has had the virus.

It has been well known and discussed when COVID-19 became problematic that is was a type of corona virus, and some types of corona viruses are responsible for the common cold. I mean, this is COVID 101. It is common knowledge now.

SARS and MERS, both very deadly, are also coronaviruses. Corona viruses can be very deadly or just a nuisance. COVID-19 is on track to have killed half a million people in about half a year. But, you're comparing it to a cold... again. This is despicable.

Not downplaying this situation especially for the vulnerable. But let's have some perspective. The scientific and medical community is still very split and they are researching as fast as they can. For some reason the legacy media has decided it has all the answers and this is the zombie apocalypse. History may prove, however, that this was the greatest mass hysteria event in human history. It is still unknown.

All your opinion of the situation.

What seems certain is that unless you have a very weakened immune system or serious conditions, it isn't life threatening.

COVID-19 has been known to kill or seriously damage healthy young people.

But, here, again, you're minimizing the toll on the elderly and those with confounding conditions. Is it OK to not worry about them because they're old and have an illness? People in a nursing home don't count?

This isn't the plague or leprosy. Thankfully.

Again, minimizing. By comparing it to something else, you then claim it's of minimal concern. Things can be concerning in their own right without having to be as bad as something else, such as killing half a million people in half a year.

There is another variable. How many people will die due to being forced to delay so-called "elective procedures" like cancer treatments?

I don't know. But go ahead and raise a question to intimate... something?

If you want us to look at COVID in a certain context, then provide data; not your vague broaching of a topic with an unanswered question.

If only one thing good comes out of this I would hope it will be that people stop looking at every situation through a straw so to speak. Everything is so narrowly viewed and there is so little perspective or priority given to the bigger picture.

You have shown over and over again that the 'perspective' you want is such as to minimize the problem.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This variable you are missing is how many covid cases are out there, we don't know that.

Funny, when the number of verified cases go up, people say, "You have to look at percent positive!"

And now we're seeing the percent positives go up, you say, "But have to know how many people have it but haven't been tested.

Crazy we don’t see any headlines that the daily death rate from Covid is now down over 90% from the peak in April. Sounds like amazing news if you ask me. Less than 5% of all deaths today were related to Covid. Nothing said about the other 95% in health news today.

Oh, this again.

When numbers are bad, find when the numbers were worse and then claim: "It's not as bad! The numbers when *down*!"

All the while ignoring the continuing rise in numbers that can foretell a new death spike.

So, are you really saying it's not so bad as long as it's not a bad as when it was the worst?

This is just another dodge to minimize the current situation, like those who try to compare it to other sources of death.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

ehh. They were giving Florida a hard time even when they were in great shape, compared to others. Some were rooting for this rise to occur since April. Unfair treatment for that state isn’t new though. It’s sad.
I hope for everyone living there they can keep hospitalizations under control and limit new deaths as much as possible.

I’m not real convinced they were ever in great shape.

They had zero testing...and Florida’s climate is an advantage to the effects of respiratory viruses.

Think they were lucky at first...and in typical Florida fashion- overplayed their hand.

 

[sedati]

The mask appeared to be over the nose of the underpaid Walmart employee until he was assaulted by a customer who prostrated him/herself in the entrance, thought twice about throwing a handful of tomatoes, and then headed defiantly down the flavored water aisle. The employee's hands weren't free to correct his mask during the altercation. I'll allow it.

I paused it and you are absolutely right.

 

[DisneyCane]

I’m not real convinced they were ever in great shape.

They had zero testing...and Florida’s climate is an advantage to the effects of respiratory viruses.

Think they were lucky at first...and in typical Florida fashion- overplayed their hand.

Florida didn't have "zero testing." There were thousands of tests per day months ago. Before this recent spike, when the positive percentage was very low there were around 30k tests per day.

I don't know what you mean by overplaying their hand. There was no spike related to the Phase 1 reopening which included 50% capacity dine in and "personal services" with precautions. The spike in recent days appears related to 18-34 year olds not following social distancing guidelines. I don't know if it is bars or private house parties but the data is very clear.

 

[Andrew C]

The spike in recent days appears related to 18-34 year olds not following social distancing guidelines.

This is why I don’t think there is going to be a huge death spike in Florida (IMO)..unless these younger people start spreading it to the elderly in a significant manner. Then, they will have a huge issue. This is why they just really need to practice basic social distancing. It’s the one common sense area the majority of us agree on.

 

[Piebald]

Anecdotal, but it feels like now is when people are beginning to actually know a lot of people being infected as opposed to March when things felt like they were getting bad. My cousin has it at the moment and is sick at home, friends dad has it and is hospitalized and several people I know on social media say they know someone who has it.

Cases in Florida have more than doubled in 30 days (basically since Memorial Day weekend aka the weekend people seemed to collectively stopped caring).

I spoke to some mgmt at Universal who adamantly said they would not close up again even though many local businesses here are beginning to scale back or close altogether for undetermined amounts of time. Wondering if any of this will affect Disney reopening at all or if it's just full steam ahead.

 

[Horizons '83]

Anecdotal, but it feels like now is when people are beginning to actually know a lot of people being infected as opposed to March when things felt like they were getting bad. My cousin has it at the moment and is sick at home, friends dad has it and is hospitalized and several people I know on social media say they know someone who has it.

Cases in Florida have more than doubled in 30 days (basically since Memorial Day weekend aka the weekend people seemed to collectively stopped caring).

I spoke to some mgmt at Universal who adamantly said they would not close up again even though many local businesses here are beginning to scale back or close altogether for undetermined amounts of time. Wondering if any of this will affect Disney reopening at all or if it's just full steam ahead.

I think there are a few things in play here and one that should be highlighted is that young people, under 30, seem to think they are immortal. I know I thought the same thing when I was in college. The issue this time around is that they are contracting it, maybe getting sick for a few days and move on all while not realizing they are putting older people at risk in the process. You can clearly see this in the data, large number of cases, very little deaths/hospitalizations in the particular rise.

 

[Jrb1979]

This is why I don’t think there is going to be a huge death spike in Florida (IMO)..unless these younger people start spreading it to the elderly in a significant manner. Then, they will have a huge issue. This is why they just really need to practice basic social distancing. It’s the one common sense area the majority of us agree on.

I agree with most of that except more can be done. IMO with cases rising they should put back in some restrictions. Cause just social distancing is not working as most seem to ignore it. Maybe restaurants have to go back to 25% and masks have to become mandatory. Restaurants should have been opened like they are here and make it patios only.

 

[Lilofan]

I agree with most of that except more can be done. IMO with cases rising they should put back in some restrictions. Cause just social distancing is not working as most seem to ignore it. Maybe restaurants have to go back to 25% and masks have to become mandatory. Restaurants should have been opened like they are here and make it patios only.

Outdoor patios seating only will not be so trendy in FL when real time feel is between 95-100 degrees daily. I would be dripping with sweat and dripping into my food.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Florida didn't have "zero testing." There were thousands of tests per day months ago. Before this recent spike, when the positive percentage was very low there were around 30k tests per day.

I don't know what you mean by overplaying their hand. There was no spike related to the Phase 1 reopening which included 50% capacity dine in and "personal services" with precautions. The spike in recent days appears related to 18-34 year olds not following social distancing guidelines. I don't know if it is bars or private house parties but the data is very clear.

“Thousand of tests” in a state with 20,000,000 that is by its very nature a transient conduit isn’t exactly impressive. But you had determined Florida had “figured it out” - probably as the sunshine state Napoleon complex usually goes to throw shade at the other “big brother” states - before this really started. That’s why “wait and see” was always the route of wisdom.

“Overplaying” the hand was inevitable as governor went full bore into the “we gotta open!!” Mantra.
For what? All those tourists that aren’t gonna show for a year? Well that will really fill the coffers.

Florida is still “lucky”...but it’s interesting to see what will happen if their numbers are still looking dangerous over the next few weeks?