jt04
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Denial phase. I'm not downplaying the difficulty we are in. Just hoping people face up to the reality of the situation. Life has to go on. IMO.
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Denial phase. I'm not downplaying the difficulty we are in. Just hoping people face up to the reality of the situation. Life has to go on. IMO.
Bang your head, but that Is true plus the long lasting effects have been way overblown, the lung damage is very very rare. People get long lasting damage from many illnesses
peter11435
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I’m not the one in denial
peter11435
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Good luck
jt04
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Then why throw out an insult without an explanation?
Absolutely, going to extremes doesn't Help either way at all. There is way to much panic going on largely driven by the media.
One example just yesterday the New Yorker puts out an alarming article that over 12000 people are currently hospitalized today in Florida for Covid, as of this posting still hasn’t been corrected. Only around 2000 people are hospitalized currently with Covid at 3.5% of the beds
Just terrible reporting. That is the Cumulative number since back in March. The incorrect Florida stats are about halfway down In the article.
As New York Reaches a Coronavirus Landmark, Parts of Red America Are Facing a Potential Disaster
In New York, it took a community-wide effort to limit the official death toll from COVID-19. But in some states that are seeing a rise in cases, a combination of poor leadership, public exhaustion, and right-wing politics is hampering an effective response.
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Additionally, the articles do not mention how much contact the friends had over the weeks preceeding the night out - they may have gotten together (or some of them) earlier in the week, or work together, etc. Maybe they all spent the day at the beach and went out together in the evening. We don't know how much personal contact they had, and we don't know if the 7 staff members would have tested positive the day before this incident. If you're asymptomatic and don't get tested you don't know you have it.
peter11435
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There was no insult.
DisneyDebRob
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I understand. My head has bruises lately over the last few days of misinformation on here.I found its better to take a deep breath and continue with facts, and it hurts a lot less.
No joke
Absolutely, going to extremes doesn't Help either way at all. There is way to much panic going on largely driven by the media.
One example just yesterday the New Yorker puts out an alarming article that over 12000 people are currently hospitalized today in Florida for Covid, as of this posting still hasn’t been corrected. Just terrible reporting. That is the Cumulative number since back in March.
As New York Reaches a Coronavirus Landmark, Parts of Red America Are Facing a Potential Disaster
In New York, it took a community-wide effort to limit the official death toll from COVID-19. But in some states that are seeing a rise in cases, a combination of poor leadership, public exhaustion, and right-wing politics is hampering an effective response.www.newyorker.com
That has been a problem with the numbers - people get added to the list, but unless they die they aren't subtracted when they recover. So new cases are added to old cases, so the number keeps going up. All we can do is look at the number of new cases and note if the number is rising - but not be able to see if they are significant cases.
The FL dashboard does have an area that shows the number of ER visits for Covid-like cases, but again, it doesn't tell whether the patients really had it or not.
All we can do is try to limit the number of significant cases that could overwhelm our hospitals. Which requires a close watch on the numbers - even if they aren't 100% accurate - along with social distancing and masks - it's all we've got.
LSLS
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Just what a friend who works in a hospital in tampa has told me.
mickeymiss
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I worry about E.Coli 0157 every single year. There are outbreaks every single year. Children die from it every single year. They say it's rare but tell that to the families. It killed a toddler in my state that went to a county fair after zero contact with animals. One other child from the fair had serious permanent kidney damage. County fairs never closed down or even did anything to reduce risk. Nobody stopped going to fairs or called for action. Fairs have outbreaks every year too. You take a chance going to events like that. Reading about that little boy devastated me but people said I was overreacting. I think covid is serious but locking down our country has made another crisis. I deal with my E.Coli anxiety by being extra cautious. People still think I'm being silly. I don't care. I changed my behavior to feel safer. I also understand that life has to resume for everyone else. I support businesses deciding if they want to require masks or not. We have to take it from here and make our own risk assessments. We have to tread carefully in a pandemic but we are seeing trends that this is something we can balance with opening.
That being said, I agree that bars seem to be an emerging threat for employees and should be addressed.
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DisneyDebRob
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Agreed. But the amount of cases coming out in Florida is alarming to anyone. Each day they are setting a new record. We will see how the death toll rate responds it this in a few weeks but anyway you slice it, it’s not a good sign when you are now one of the leading states shooting upward. Very very close watch is needed.
there are two hospitals in the Tampa area that have full icus , but they only have 6 and 4 icu beds , not necessarily Covid patients. Overall hospital icu capacity in the Tampa area is still at 20%. This is common numbers even in pre Covid days, but worth watching
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oceanbreeze77
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Sunday numbers: 3500 and 12% positivity.
LSLS
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Do you mean they can handle another 20%?
GoofGoof
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I agree. It‘s impossible to know where people got sick from. The one woman from the story claims her group was not bar hopping and that this was the only time and place that group got together but even that doesn’t mean they definitely got infected at the bar. This is the same problem WDW faces. When a story breaks that 7 CMs working at Small World test positive a bunch of people who visited MK during that time will get tested and test positive. They will claim they got sick at WDW but there‘s no way to tell where they were actually infected. Disney at least has the backing of a pretty solid plan for re-opening so they can point to that and say they went above and beyond what was required and did as much as was possible to prevent spread (short of staying closed).
The ancillary benefit from this story is that this bar and many others now are on notice that they need to have better plans in place to prevent spread. Because the bar had no masks for employees and no attempt at social distancing (They had a dance floor open with people shoulder to shoulder) they left themselves open for blame (Fair or not). If I was a business owner I would make sure I followed all the recommendations for safe operation even if it isn’t required by law. After losing months of revenue the last thing these businesses need is to be shut down again, even for a week to do a deep cleaning.
Be prepared more ”records” will be set this week but the overall danger is very low unless you are a high risk individual, hospitals are not being overrun, etc. you wouldn’t know that from the news though. we with constant word surging, records setting, etc. it is really getting ridiculous and is causing much more harm to society than Covid ever will do. Look how closley we follow the numbers on here, posting instantly when they are released.
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disneygeek90
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Where are you getting that? Florida dashboard is showing 4,671 positives yesterday...
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