Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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corsairk09

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Maybe Disney having the mask rule for 3 and up is maybe to cover Disney from Liability? It’s a rule, therefore the responsibility shifts to the guest? I don’t know, but I think we all agree a three year old has no concept of COVID or what needs to be done, their parents can try to do their best, and the CMs are not empowered (and simply do not want fight with guests) to now enforce this mask rule along with all the other sh@t work they have to do in their overworked, underpaid jobs.
I'm still stuck on "you can only drink/eat while sitting". So.... my kid in their stroller can drink and snack on cheerios throughout the park? In the 100 degree weather? I can't drink water while walking and sweating buckets? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me..........
 

GoofGoof

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Maybe Disney having the mask rule for 3 and up is maybe to cover Disney from Liability? It’s a rule, therefore the responsibility shifts to the guest? I don’t know, but I think we all agree a three year old has no concept of COVID or what needs to be done, their parents can try to do their best, and the CMs are not empowered (and simply do not want fight with guests) to now enforce this mask rule along with all the other sh@t work they have to do in their overworked, underpaid jobs.
I agree. 3 and up comes from CDC guidelines so to change that would open them to a potential liability. It’s the same guidelines that airlines and retail stores and other businesses will follow too. It’s going to be very difficult for the parents of a 3 year old to keep some kids in a mask to fly, go to a store or go to a theme park. I can’t imagine anyone being strict or confrontational with the parents (well maybe the airlines;)). That being said, if they don’t enforce the rule at all and that becomes known they open themselves up for a potential liability too. It’s definitely a tough spot for Disney and CMs.
 

Miss Bella

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Or just sit it out until the rules change. I’m not planning to go back to WDW while they have a rule that requires masks. I understand why they will be doing it and I don’t in any way support people who will just go and ignore the rules. For anyone who wants to go during this phase, have fun and stay safe but please follow the rules and don’t make an already stressful situation for the poor workers who have to deal with it even worse.
I'm waiting to see what the actual rules are going to be before I decide. As far as I know, Disney hasn't said what the rules are for the parks just Disney Springs.

I think some people are going to go to WDW with the full intention of following all the rules, but then aren't going to be able to tolerate the mask in the heat. Heat stroke and heat exhaustion are very serious health concerns. How is Disney going to deal with people that simply can't do it? Will they offer refunds?
 

Rider

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I keep seeing assumptions about how much masks will be enforced based on previous enforcement of rules at the park.

But these assumptions are all based on the world before everything got flipped upside-down.

But those are the only times we have to go on so let's look at some of the safety rules (big and small) the park enforces without backing down:

-Bag checks
-Metal detectors
-No weapons
-No costumes
-No "Halloween" masks
-Wearing proper restraints on the rides

These rules were enforced every day since they were added with very few exceptions. How often have you seen a CM "give up" and allow someone to ride Tower of Terror without a seatbelt because they complained? Or a guest wearing a full Darth Vader costume in the park?

Those safely rules are more similar to the new mask rules. They are a lot different than "no cutting in line" or "please stay behind this tape line on the ground".
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I keep seeing assumptions about how much masks will be enforced based on previous enforcement of rules at the park.

But these assumptions are all based on the world before everything got flipped upside-down.

But those are the only times we have to go on so let's look at some of the safety rules (big and small) the park enforces without backing down:

-Bag checks
-Metal detectors
-No weapons
-No costumes
-No "Halloween" masks
-Wearing proper restraints on the rides

These rules were enforced every day since they were added with very few exceptions. How often have you seen a CM "give up" and allow someone to ride Tower of Terror without a seatbelt because they complained? Or a guest wearing a full Darth Vader costume in the park?

Those safely rules are more similar to the new mask rules. They are a lot different than "no cutting in line" or "please stay behind this tape line on the ground".

There is also the special needs part of this. There are children and adults who will not be able to safely wear face masks. For a short time period, Disney can just deny them entry especially right now when it’s just the springs. But eventually that will be a whole different thing for Disney to deal with.

Also... I think some on this forum think that questioning the policy = someone who wants to go to Disney and break the rules.

I’m 100% against the current security checks at Disney world. But I go through them, I thank the workers, and I follow the procedures.

If I go to Disney world with a mask rule in effect, I will follow the rules. That doesn’t mean I agree with them, and in fact as written I don’t agree with them at all.
 

jsand99

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I'm still stuck on "you can only drink/eat while sitting". So.... my kid in their stroller can drink and snack on cheerios throughout the park? In the 100 degree weather? I can't drink water while walking and sweating buckets? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me..........

Is this rule of "you can only eat or drink while sitting" going to be in place in the parks or is this just speculation?
 

Angelo721

Member
I an in West Palm Beach and a number of businesses want you to wear face coverings while in their establishments. It is for liability reasons. If you get COVID-19, then you can try and sue the Target you went into, or the Dunkin. Senator Rick Scott is working on a bill that would prevent lawsuits stemming from COIVID-19. Once something like his happens. I think the face covering thing will go away.

Disney posting this notice is perfect! But think about it, they can't police 25,000 people about wearing face masks all the time. There will be busy bodies running up to cast members complaining about non-mask wearers all the time.

I sweat a lot and can't breathe in these masks. I can't imagine 8 hours in Disney with 95 degree weather and 110% humidity. But I have to make the choice to go or not go.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I keep seeing assumptions about how much masks will be enforced based on previous enforcement of rules at the park.

But these assumptions are all based on the world before everything got flipped upside-down.

But those are the only times we have to go on so let's look at some of the safety rules (big and small) the park enforces without backing down:

-Bag checks
-Metal detectors
-No weapons
-No costumes
-No "Halloween" masks
-Wearing proper restraints on the rides

These rules were enforced every day since they were added with very few exceptions. How often have you seen a CM "give up" and allow someone to ride Tower of Terror without a seatbelt because they complained? Or a guest wearing a full Darth Vader costume in the park?

Those safely rules are more similar to the new mask rules. They are a lot different than "no cutting in line" or "please stay behind this tape line on the ground".
In the early 2000s the lap bar at the Tower of Terror was replaced by individual seat belts. Allowing a guest not to buckle their seat belt? I seriously doubt this claim. The guest in the freefall could be hurt or possibly killed.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Is this rule of "you can only eat or drink while sitting" going to be in place in the parks or is this just speculation?
It’s the rule for Disney Springs right now. The only place where you don’t need a mask is seated at a restaurant. The speculation is the parks will have a similar rule.
 

Epcotfan21

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I'm still stuck on "you can only drink/eat while sitting". So.... my kid in their stroller can drink and snack on cheerios throughout the park? In the 100 degree weather? I can't drink water while walking and sweating buckets? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me..........
Certainly defeats the point of eating/drinking around the World Showcase at Epcot.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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It’s the rule for Disney Springs right now. The only place where you don’t need a mask is seated at a restaurant. The speculation is the parks will have a similar rule.

But we don’t know yet how this will actually be enforced.

NYC bakery and Joffreys don’t have seating for example. I can’t imagine they will be happy if guests are told they can’t consume their products.

Will there be an outdoor seating area set up for these and other establishments?

Is there a “doughnut” seating area for voo-doo at city walk?
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
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I an in West Palm Beach and a number of businesses want you to wear face coverings while in their establishments. It is for liability reasons. If you get COVID-19, then you can try and sue the Target you went into, or the Dunkin. Senator Rick Scott is working on a bill that would prevent lawsuits stemming from COIVID-19. Once something like his happens. I think the face covering thing will go away.

Disney posting this notice is perfect! But think about it, they can't police 25,000 people about wearing face masks all the time. There will be busy bodies running up to cast members complaining about non-mask wearers all the time.

I sweat a lot and can't breathe in these masks. I can't imagine 8 hours in Disney with 95 degree weather and 110% humidity. But I have to make the choice to go or not go.
Which is why I won't be going to the World until the mask rule is lifted. Again, I understand why they doing that but its a choice we all have when they open.
 

jsand99

Active Member
It’s the rule for Disney Springs right now. The only place where you don’t need a mask is seated at a restaurant. The speculation is the parks will have a similar rule.

Well we had already decided that masks were a deal breaker for our family but this reinforces it. I can't imagine not being able to walk around eating a dole whip or drinking a beverage and it would be torture making my kids conform to that. How will they handle the socially distanced seated eating and drinking areas when there isn't enough room for everyone?
 

Miss Bella

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I an in West Palm Beach and a number of businesses want you to wear face coverings while in their establishments. It is for liability reasons. If you get COVID-19, then you can try and sue the Target you went into, or the Dunkin. Senator Rick Scott is working on a bill that would prevent lawsuits stemming from COIVID-19. Once something like his happens. I think the face covering thing will go away.

Disney posting this notice is perfect! But think about it, they can't police 25,000 people about wearing face masks all the time. There will be busy bodies running up to cast members complaining about non-mask wearers all the time.

I sweat a lot and can't breathe in these masks. I can't imagine 8 hours in Disney with 95 degree weather and 110% humidity. But I have to make the choice to go or not go.
No one knows if they’ll be able to tolerate a mask in 95 degrees and 90% humidity for 8 hours. A lot of people seem to think they can, but can they?

I hope the parks open a few weeks before I plan to go so I can see how people manage this.
 

natatomic

Well-Known Member
I keep seeing assumptions about how much masks will be enforced based on previous enforcement of rules at the park.

But these assumptions are all based on the world before everything got flipped upside-down.

But those are the only times we have to go on so let's look at some of the safety rules (big and small) the park enforces without backing down:

-Bag checks
-Metal detectors
-No weapons
-No costumes
-No "Halloween" masks
-Wearing proper restraints on the rides

These rules were enforced every day since they were added with very few exceptions. How often have you seen a CM "give up" and allow someone to ride Tower of Terror without a seatbelt because they complained? Or a guest wearing a full Darth Vader costume in the park?

Those safely rules are more similar to the new mask rules. They are a lot different than "no cutting in line" or "please stay behind this tape line on the ground".

This is all true, however this is also a very different issue. Most people who want to break the rules you listed are a very tiny number of guests. And most of those rules don’t have an easy way around. If your kid is too short, it’s easy enough to enforce that rule, because the only way you can then get into the line, is by forcing yourself. it has happened before, but the number of guests that do that or may be one in 1 million, and it’s very easy to stop them once they get onto the actual ride themselves. All you do is you don’t start the ride. Yes, guests argue all the time, but enforcing it is actually SUPER easy. And same with restraints. You just don’t start the ride until they comply.
Same with bag checks and metal detectors. I don’t know anyone that has ever taken a stance against them to the point to where they would just blast through them - and even if they did, theyve got all that security and all those cops right there. They’re not getting far. Again - super easy to enforce. Plus, once you’re in the park, it’s not like your subjected to continuous bag checks and metal detectors everywhere.
As for masks, anyone can wear them into the park. And then anyone can take them off five feet into the park. A CM can remind them to put it on, but then they walk away and it’s off again. Another CM May see them, but they don’t know they’ve been told already. The guests could just get an endless series of warnings without ever being kicked out and still NOT wear the mask a majority of the day. The only way to ensure continual enforcement is to have the same CM keep an eye on them all day, which will be impossible. PLUS, there is a huge divide over the country right now with pro and anti mask people. This isn’t a small number like people trying to sneak their small children on rides or sneak past the metal detector. I think there will literally be thousands of guests who are against wearing a mask all day, and will get into the park while wearing one, and then take them off.
and then I think there will be another subset of guess he genuinely think the masks are doable in the heat, who support the mask requirement, but then find they can’t handle it and find themselves giving up. People already underestimate the Florida heat and find themselves taking more a/c breaks than they were probably anticipating. Once in the park, there’s NO taking a break from the mask. Even a/c will bring only minimal comfort with a mask. Once you are in the park, they expect you to keep that mascon the entire time, aside from meals. I don’t think the average guest is being very realistic as to what that’s going to truly feel like in Florida.
I definitely agree with you that because this is a safety issue, there is a greater likelihood of it being enforced. But I also think the sheer number of people that are probably going to break the rules is going to make enforcement a nightmare, and very possibly short-lived.
 
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jsand99

Active Member
No one knows if they’ll be able to tolerate a mask in 95 degrees and 90% humidity for 8 hours. A lot of people seem to think they can, but can they?

I hope the parks open a few weeks before I plan to go so I can see how people manage this.
I already know the answer for me and it's absolutely not. Could I survive it? Sure. But enjoy a day at Disney, no way. The production floor where I work is 90-100 degrees and 80%+ humidity at all times due to the nature of the process. I'm sweating under my mask within 5 minutes of just standing around. Within 20 minutes I'm looking for somewhere I can breath some cool air without a mask. Fortunately this week, my employer lifted the mask mandate in my department due to these conditions.
 
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