News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Calmdownnow

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On a more serious note about the Astrazeneca vaccine -- the company appears to have drug production facilities in the UK, Sweden (may just save their bacon from their herd immunity experiment) and Maryland in the U.S. so there could be prospects for early vaccine availability on the East Coast and, of course Washington DC, if the vaccine proves successful.
 

wannabeBelle

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I don’t think the cruiselines will start up again until borders are open and international travel is happening.
Interesting to know. For the cost of taking care of the crew, why can't the all cruise lines work with airlines to have a cruise crew only flight? And ground transportation the same way?
As far as crew members returning, they've been on for months, how many will be willing to return at all?
I dont know if I disagree LUVMCO. I have a cruise in September that I hope will go. For the near future, I have heard some rumors of cruises of 3 and 4 day durations which would leave out of Florida, go their own island that are usually in the Bahamas and back to Florida to allow them to better control where people go and limit the interaction from other countries. Don't know how likely that is, but it is a consideration.
I agree Patcheslee, I think it would be very hard to get people back even just logistically. I am not sure about the crew that was already on board. As you said after being onboard for so many months, I'm sure they'd be happy to go home and stay there for a while at least. I do love cruising so this is a very sad situation all the way around for that.
Marie
 

Calmdownnow

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to allow them to better control where people go and limit the interaction from other countries
I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle: do countries in the Carib., which may have limited ICU facilities, really want daily influxes of thousands of Americans when infection rates are still high in the U.S. They are desperate for the tourism income, but must be worried that interaction with cruise guests will infect their population.
 

LUVMCO

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I dont know if I disagree LUVMCO. I have a cruise in September that I hope will go. For the near future, I have heard some rumors of cruises of 3 and 4 day durations which would leave out of Florida, go their own island that are usually in the Bahamas and back to Florida to allow them to better control where people go and limit the interaction from other countries. Don't know how likely that is, but it is a consideration.
I agree Patcheslee, I think it would be very hard to get people back even just logistically. I am not sure about the crew that was already on board. As you said after being onboard for so many months, I'm sure they'd be happy to go home and stay there for a while at least. I do love cruising so this is a very sad situation all the way around for that.
Marie
I think international flying will resume by then. Some European countries are opening their borders this Summer. Italy and Greece are opening In June. I agree it will most likely just be the Dream or Fantasy short cruises for the first couple of months. Other cruiselines have laid out similar plans and Disney’s a follower. It’s definitely more of challenge for the cruise industry to restart than any other form of tourism.
 

wannabeBelle

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I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle: do countries in the Carib., which may have limited ICU facilities, really want daily influxes of thousands of Americans when infection rates are still high in the U.S. They are desperate for the tourism income, but must be worried that interaction with cruise guests will infect their population.
That too. Marie
 

LUVMCO

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I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle: do countries in the Carib., which may have limited ICU facilities, really want daily influxes of thousands of Americans when infection rates are still high in the U.S. They are desperate for the tourism income, but must be worried that interaction with cruise guests will infect their population.
We don’t know what the infection rate in the US will look like in August or September. It’s all speculation at this point. It is only May after all. It seems like this has beeen going on for 2 years not 2 months.
 

wannabeBelle

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I think international flying will resume by then. Some European countries are opening their borders this Summer. Italy and Greece are opening In June. I agree it will most likely just be the Dream or Fantasy short cruises for the first couple of months. Other cruiselines have laid out similar plans and Disney’s a follower. It’s definitely more of challenge for the cruise industry to restart than any other form of tourism.
Thankfully the cruise I have in September is docking in Florida so international travel wont be an issue for me for that. That cruise is supposed to go to Mexico and Castaway Cay. It remains to be seen if we do more sea days, dock twice at CC or if the cruise is just reduced by a night, if we have to eliminate the Mexico stop. The European cruise I had for August got moved to next summer with Celebrity. It would have been worrisome with the factors of international flight, the ability of the cruise ship to dock, plus all of the countries that we would be visiting. so it was the smarter move to just postpone. Thanks, Marie
 

Calmdownnow

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Perhaps the parks will begin by capping capacity at something substantially lower than 30%
An interesting thought might be re-opening MK on a "party" only basis. Have a morning breakfast party for a couple of hours, separately ticketed of course, for a limited number of guests with a food offering (book your socially distanced table in advance). Clear out those guests, then offer your mid day lunch party on the same basis, followed by an evening offering, same basis. May be 5-7% of capacity at any one time, but you still get a substantial number of people through the gates in a safer and more controlled manner. Perhaps limit the number of parties a guest can attend in any one day. 3 lots of guests paying premium prices (but not using daily tickets, hoppers or APs) gives a decent and guaranteed minimum income to meet staffing costs.
 

The Mom

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I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle: do countries in the Carib., which may have limited ICU facilities, really want daily influxes of thousands of Americans when infection rates are still high in the U.S. They are desperate for the tourism income, but must be worried that interaction with cruise guests will infect their population.

I think this is why there has been discussion of 3 & 4 day cruises. Passengers are checked on boarding, then unless they get sick the first 24 hours they are only 2-3 days away from port. And can quickly get back to the US.
 

Calmdownnow

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I think this is why there has been discussion of 3 & 4 day cruises. Passengers are checked on boarding, then unless they get sick the first 24 hours they are only 2-3 days away from port. And can quickly get back to the US.
Without getting back into the revolving argument about asymptomatic spreaders, the point of my post was to take issue with the suggestion that the important point was that Americans might be infected by foreigners, when there is a just as compelling view that foreigners may be worried about American cruise passengers infecting them.
 

wannabeBelle

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Without getting back into the revolving argument about asymptomatic spreaders, the point of my post was to take issue with the suggestion that the important point was that Americans might be infected by foreigners, when there is a just as compelling view that foreigners may be worried about American cruise passengers infecting them.
Sorry I didnt mean to offend. It was definitely a consideration either way!! Marie
 

Mouse Trap

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Seems a bit premature for Universal to be putting these down if the parks won’t be opening until 2021...
 

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bcoachable

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An interesting thought might be re-opening MK on a "party" only basis. Have a morning breakfast party for a couple of hours, separately ticketed of course, for a limited number of guests with a food offering (book your socially distanced table in advance). Clear out those guests, then offer your mid day lunch party on the same basis, followed by an evening offering, same basis. May be 5-7% of capacity at any one time, but you still get a substantial number of people through the gates in a safer and more controlled manner. Perhaps limit the number of parties a guest can attend in any one day. 3 lots of guests paying premium prices (but not using daily tickets, hoppers or APs) gives a decent and guaranteed minimum income to meet staffing costs.
If one wanted to, one could structure the visit to the parks similar to how Disney structured the opening of Galaxies Edge- with a four hour window for visiting... just thinking out loud..
 
So these guys are basically stuck on the cruise ships for months now and they aren’t being paid. Am I reading that right? Is that even legal to do to someone? I can understand not paying them, but then don’t you have to get them off the ships and home?
Yes. Yes. Many of their countries will not allow them back in their country and certainly no other country is willing to let them in.
 

Calmdownnow

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If one wanted to, one could structure the visit to the parks similar to how Disney structured the opening of Galaxies Edge- with a four hour window for visiting... just thinking out loud..
I suspect this is where it may go, but to make it financially viable -- ie, |I am charging you $140 for your 4-hour window in order to have ultra low capacity attendance during that window -- you need to have a unique product to sell that excludes APs and Hoppers etc. Hence the "party" concept that is already established. Plus, you want to make sure that those that are in the park pay up-front for some sort of food offering rather than bring their own.
 

The Mom

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Without getting back into the revolving argument about asymptomatic spreaders, the point of my post was to take issue with the suggestion that the important point was that Americans might be infected by foreigners, when there is a just as compelling view that foreigners may be worried about American cruise passengers infecting them.

It was also opined that they would not be stopping in foreign ports - to lessen the chance of spreading, or acquiring, the virus. They would stop at islands (such as Castaway Cay) owned by the cruise lines.

So passengers would not be spreading to other areas.
 

Astrotrain

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I highly doubt they would exclude annual passholders, if anything they may limit opening to locals for the first couple of weeks.

There are entire communities around WDW that live here for the parks. They would infuriate their biggest fans by telling them their passes are no good. Locals aren't potentially picking up the virus on their way to the parks either. Airplane travel, busses, etc are all hot spots for viruses.
 

Calmdownnow

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It was also opined that they would not be stopping in foreign ports - to lessen the chance of spreading, or acquiring, the virus. They would stop at islands (such as Castaway Cay) owned by the cruise lines.

So passengers would not be spreading to other areas.
Interesting. I didn't realize Castaway Cay staff lived on the island. Has Disney indicated what steps it is taking to protect it's workers on Castaway Cay? Will masks be required etc?
 
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