Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

Too early to get hopes up. Lot's of conflicting information right now. Remember there is a monumental financial gain at stake for the first viable vaccine produced. So, take any claims that it's effective made by those developing it and their supporters with a grain of salt. View claims that it's not effective by rival developers and their supporters with an equal grain of salt.

Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really

The latest data on the vaccine being developed out of Oxford shows limited success.

www.forbes.com

Oxford University Covid-19 vaccine shows promise in animal study

The University of Oxford in the UK has reported positive findings of its Covid-19 vaccine candidate in a small preclinical study involving six monkeys.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com

This is why I hate the media. They use click-baity titles that aren't close to the main point.

The vaccine was successful at reducing the severity in the monkeys that it was given to. That in and of itself is a good thing.

 

[VaderTron]

Too early to get hopes up. Lot's of conflicting information right now. Remember there is a monumental financial gain at stake for the first viable vaccine produced. So, take any claims that it's effective made by those developing it and their supporters with a grain of salt. View claims that it's not effective by rival developers and their supporters with an equal grain of salt.

Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really

The latest data on the vaccine being developed out of Oxford shows limited success.

www.forbes.com

Oxford University Covid-19 vaccine shows promise in animal study

The University of Oxford in the UK has reported positive findings of its Covid-19 vaccine candidate in a small preclinical study involving six monkeys.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com

Keep in mind that there is a long road to knowing what will be safe for you and your family regardless of when a potential vaccine may come out. One guarantee is that every person is different, and so the reaction/protection of any one vaccine will vary by each person. That is plainly seen in how varied the reactions are of people who have been exposed to Covid-19. Some show no symptoms, some show mild symptoms, some have advanced symptoms that require hospitalization, some die. The range of symptoms shown is vast, and can be in almost any combination. Expect similar variation in how the human body reacts to a vaccine. While one may be determined as safe for the majority, there is no clear understanding of any long-term effects or it's immunity half-life in people. Will it protect from mutated forms of Covid-19? What about it's use in people who are already on other types of medications? How will they interact? Will they cause additional health problems? Seems like a wait and see approach will be best. As some like to say, "The solution can't be worse than the problem." Be cautions, be patient, and keep practicing what you know will work until more information is available. Lack of patience and vigilance can be deadly...

...which is why WDW is not in our family's immediate future plans.

 

[Yodascousin]

Yeah, it’s very concerning to me that a vaccine will be rushed. There is so much pressure (political, financial, etc.) to get it done ASAP. Is it even possible to have safely tested a vaccine by September? There’s a reason they usually take years correct?

In the end we will have to trust the experts I’m in the high risk category so have to shield so for me it’s either a vaccine or potentially risk death...in my opinion this vaccine shows a lot of promise especially as there was no worsening of the disease...the first people vaccinated with this had the vaccination about 2 weeks ago so now it’s just a waiting game

 

[xdan0920]

As far as I know the tickets are not refundable but they can be used any day the rest of the year even if date specific and if not used in 2020 you get a credit for a future ticket purchase.

Is this true? If so, that’s honestly laughable.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is this true? If so, that’s honestly laughable.

The details are right here:

Update on Walt Disney World Resort Operations — Including Theme Parks and Water Parks

Get the latest on resort closures, operational updates, cancellation & refund information for Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, FL

disneyworld.disney.go.com

Click on the tickets section for specific details.

 

[Patcheslee]

In the end we will have to trust the experts I’m in the high risk category so have to shield so for me it’s either a vaccine or potentially risk death...in my opinion this vaccine shows a lot of promise especially as there was no worsening of the disease...the first people vaccinated with this had the vaccination about 2 weeks ago so now it’s just a waiting game

This is only the 2nd vaccine I've known to being developed since DD11 was born, the other being Gardisil a couple years before and now a part of routine shots. I won't say I don't trust vaccines because I do make sure she gets them, they've been on the market for years now, but when Gardisil first came on the market I questioned what long term impacts it could possibly have and worried if we had enough information at that time . As time has gone on and she get her first of that one, I feel more comfortable that I'm doing the right thing to protect her because there is more information on the impact than years ago. I'd feel responsible for making my kid get a vaccine that caused long term damage and think that may be what many would be concerned with.

 

[GoofGoof]

Too early to get hopes up. Lot's of conflicting information right now. Remember there is a monumental financial gain at stake for the first viable vaccine produced. So, take any claims that it's effective made by those developing it and their supporters with a grain of salt. View claims that it's not effective by rival developers and their supporters with an equal grain of salt.

Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really

The latest data on the vaccine being developed out of Oxford shows limited success.

www.forbes.com

Oxford University Covid-19 vaccine shows promise in animal study

The University of Oxford in the UK has reported positive findings of its Covid-19 vaccine candidate in a small preclinical study involving six monkeys.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com

There’s a lot of push back against the prospects of a vaccine from some people who seem to be biased for various reasons. If the vaccine didn’t work then why did the British Government green light using it in humans? Makes no sense. There is certainly no guarantee that this vaccine will be the one that works but I find it a little far fetched that it was already proven to not work and they are just going forward anyway. This would include pulling the wool over the eyes of AstraZeneca a major big pharma player who is unlikely to be duped like that and also the world’s largest producer of vaccines who has ramped up production of this vaccine at their own cost in anticipation of approval. Again, none of that proves it will work, but I’ll wait to see the results from the trial.

 

[VaderTron]

There’s a lot of push back against the prospects of a vaccine from some people who seem to be biased for various reasons. If the vaccine didn’t work then why did the British Government green light using it in humans? Makes no sense. There is certainly no guarantee that this vaccine will be the one that works but I find it a little far fetched that it was already proven to not work and they are just going forward anyway. This would include pulling the wool over the eyes of AstraZeneca a major big pharma player who is unlikely to be duped like that and also the world’s largest producer of vaccines who has ramped up production of this vaccine at their own cost in anticipation of approval. Again, none of that proves it will work, but I’ll wait to see the results from the trial.

...That's the point. Wait and see. Tempered expectations.

 

[Touchdown]

Vaccine Trials 101:

Phase 1: Does the vaccine work in a lab/animals if it does you move to...

Phase 2: Vaccine given to a small group of healthy young adults, then they are watched for any side effects, are the side effect profiles acceptable (and this is a high mark to make for vaccines, less then 1%) if so then you move to...

Phase 3: Vaccine is given to a large group of individuals in areas where the virus is present in large amounts and then see if the vaccine prevents individuals from getting the disease, if that works your vaccine is brought to market.

Given the severity of this disease, many vaccines are doing Phase 2 and 3 at the same time, increasing the risk to testing participants, but nothing can speed up the time testers need to be observed. That’s why I would be guarded about any vaccine released by September if human trials are just starting now, that’s less then 6 months of observation.

 

[GoofGoof]

Vaccine Trials 101:

Phase 1: Does the vaccine work in a lab/animals if it does you move to...

Phase 2: Vaccine given to a small group of healthy young adults, then they are watched for any side effects, are the side effect profiles acceptable (and this is a high mark to make for vaccines, less then 1%) if so then you move to...

Phase 3: Vaccine is given to a large group of individuals in areas where the virus is present in large amounts and then see if the vaccine prevents individuals from getting the disease, if that works your vaccine is brought to market.

Given the severity of this disease, many vaccines are doing Phase 2 and 3 at the same time, increasing the risk to testing participants, but nothing can speed up the time testers need to be observed. That’s why I would be guarded about any vaccine released by September if human trials are just starting now, that’s less then 6 months of observation.

I agree with this. I don‘t think the Oxford group performing these trials was saying the vaccine would be available for widespread use in the general public in September. They said potentially having 30M doses ready for emergency use in September.

My skepticism with the Forbes article posted earlier comes with phase 1. The author is claiming that the animal trials did not work. If that was true why go past phase 1? Also, why say they worked if it is so obvious they didn’t? I don’t claim to understand all the scientific details but that just doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Touchdown]

GoofGoof, the Oxford group feels they passed phase 1, that’s why they are moving to phase 2&3.

 

[xdan0920]

The details are right here:

Update on Walt Disney World Resort Operations — Including Theme Parks and Water Parks

Get the latest on resort closures, operational updates, cancellation & refund information for Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, FL

disneyworld.disney.go.com

Click on the tickets section for specific details.

Wow. That’s low.

 

[easyrowrdw]

There’s a lot of push back against the prospects of a vaccine from some people who seem to be biased for various reasons. If the vaccine didn’t work then why did the British Government green light using it in humans? Makes no sense. There is certainly no guarantee that this vaccine will be the one that works but I find it a little far fetched that it was already proven to not work and they are just going forward anyway. This would include pulling the wool over the eyes of AstraZeneca a major big pharma player who is unlikely to be duped like that and also the world’s largest producer of vaccines who has ramped up production of this vaccine at their own cost in anticipation of approval. Again, none of that proves it will work, but I’ll wait to see the results from the trial.

It's also implying that the scientists are totally unethical, pushing something they know doesn't work in order to make money. It's ridiculous.

 

[Communicora]

Like most of their content, the Forbes article is an opinion piece submitted by a contributor. It's not a news article. I'm not saying the writer's opinion is incorrect, but it isn't vetted the same way a news site would vet a news article.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Like most of their content, the Forbes article is an opinion piece submitted by a contributor. It's not a news article. I'm not saying the writer's opinion is incorrect, but it isn't vetted the same way a news site would vet a news article.

He seems quite reputable though.

ETA: I wish the title of the article was less click-baity.

William A. Haseltine - Google Search

 

[Communicora]

He seems quite reputable though.

ETA: I wish the title of the article was less click-baity.

William A. Haseltine - Google Search

Oh I agree. I just think it's important to distinguish an opinion piece from a news piece.

I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about this vaccine. I need to have some hope that we will one day be able to travel without so much risk.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Oh I agree. I just think it's important to distinguish an opinion piece from a news piece.

I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about this vaccine. I need to have some hope that we will one day be able to travel without so much risk.

Agreed! I really think if we can come up with a way to ensure that symptoms don't get severe that it will change a lot of what we're dealing with today.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Like most of their content, the Forbes article is an opinion piece submitted by a contributor. It's not a news article. I'm not saying the writer's opinion is incorrect, but it isn't vetted the same way a news site would vet a news article.

First time I’ve ever heard a news agency actually vets what they post.

 

[DCBaker]

This is part of a larger article published today at the Miami Herald, stating more then 100,000 cruise crew members are still stuck on ships. Here's the information they gave about DCL -

DCL has sent home 33% of their crew so far.

"Disney Cruise Line crew say they have not been paid since the end of March. A company spokesperson said Disney is reevaluating pay for non-working crew and will update them next week"

"At least two crew members on the Disney Wonder tested positive in early May, according to medical records and interviews with sick crew members. Disney Cruise Line is ordering crew members on the Disney Wonder who tested negative back to work, sparking fear about exposure to the virus after more than a month of cabin isolation."

Disney Cruise Line said crew who express concerns about working are not being scheduled.

“Our focus is on the health and well-being of our Crew and we have a team working tirelessly to repatriate them,” said Kim Prunty, a spokesperson for the company. “With constantly changing requirements around the world and numerous borders still closed, this has proven to be an extremely complex process. We are using our ships to repatriate Crew to Europe and the Caribbean and are continuing to try to arrange charter flights to other destinations.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article242565281.html

 

[Communicora]

Agreed! I really think if we can come up with a way to ensure that symptoms don't get severe that it will change a lot of what we're dealing with today.

Yes. I'm not in a high risk group to my knowledge. The thing that really concerns me on a personal standpoint and what will hold me back from traveling and such is the high hospitalization rate across all ages and risk groups. Here's hoping one of the therapeutics they are researching works out for all of our sakes!