CoP Sponsor: Apple

Britt

Britt

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I love Apple products...they haven't had to change things up much because they nailed it with the iPhone/ipods. User friendly and constantly making improvements to their products. Love my iPhone, have had less issues with it than I've had with any other phone before.

Saying that....I dont really want the Apple logo splashed all over the parks and rides o_O
 
JarretttheGuy

JarretttheGuy

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how would you update it though? You'd have a huge jump if you changed the late 80s/early 90s ending to now.

I do love CoP, it's one of my favorite things at WDW, but it does pose some challenges thematically. Updating to a future to segue back into Tomorrowland is a good idea. But Tomorrowland is a fantasy future, not a realistic one.

I think moving the CoP to EPCOT would be a better solution, a side show (if you will) to Spaceship Earth and Future World. Maybe build another. The classic downstairs, then a modern one with the far (yet realistic) future above it. I guess they did this with our beloved Horizons.

But yes Apple would be a sponsor as much in line with the attraction as GM was of Horizons if not more so.
 
juniorthomas

juniorthomas

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WED99 said:
So you tell me I wouldn't know because I don't work on marketing, then you admit you don't either? lol.

Everything you listed was not an innovation. They were simply new products using the same tech as lesser known products. The last thing apple innovated, the iPod. And even that was borrowing off MP3 players.

Sure, some companies innovate things to improve them, but when do we ever care about that? Most of the time it's things changing something that already works as well as borrowing off other products.

Yeh Apple should be celebrated for what they did with smartphones, but they don't deserve the credit they get from people like yourself.
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I'm just slightly more realistic than you are. 8 years in advertising doesn't make me an advertising expert. I'm never going to claim to be an expert in something that is so much larger than I am. Insult me and my intelligence all you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

And sure, you may be that breed of consumer who only wants the newest and the best. Early adopters drive stock prices. That's completely fine. But don't even try to categorize the not-as-flashy innovations as less than important contributions to society. They may not matter to you, but they do matter. Every idea counts. After a while, they add up and ultimately influence other products.

I still think you're not getting my argument. I'm not lavishing praise upon Apple. I'm just giving them credit where it's due. They innovate. You and I just disagree with what innovation is. Use whatever phone or computer you'd like, just don't discredit the importance of something like reducing the size of a computer, or reducing the amount of components needed to make a computer. Ultimately, it all matters.
 
WED99

WED99

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juniorthomas said:
I'm just slightly more realistic than you are. 8 years in advertising doesn't make me an advertising expert. I'm never going to claim to be an expert in something that is so much larger than I am. Insult me and my intelligence all you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

And sure, you may be that breed of consumer who only wants the newest and the best. Early adopters drive stock prices. That's completely fine. But don't even try to categorize the not-as-flashy innovations as less than important contributions to society. They may not matter to you, but they do matter. Every idea counts. After a while, they add up and ultimately influence other products.

I still think you're not getting my argument. I'm not lavishing praise upon Apple. I'm just giving them credit where it's due. They innovate. You and I just disagree with what innovation is. Use whatever phone or computer you'd like, just don't discredit the importance of something like reducing the size of a computer, or reducing the amount of components needed to make a computer. Ultimately, it all matters.
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Do you or do you not work in advertising? Is it that hard to give a straight answer?

Size reduction is an innovation, until it is taken too far. The new iMac, iPhone 5 and Macbook Air have taken it too far. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Walt Disney was one of the best innovators of all time. He understood that you made something smaller if it had to be smaller, but if you could make something like a phone twice as fast and an inch smaller then you make it an inch bigger and 4 times faster.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WED99 said:
Do you or do you not work in advertising? Is it that hard to give a straight answer?

Size reduction is an innovation, until it is taken too far. The new iMac, iPhone 5 and Macbook Air have taken it too far. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Walt Disney was one of the best innovators of all time. He understood that you made something smaller if it had to be smaller, but if you could make something like a phone twice as fast and an inch smaller then you make it an inch bigger and 4 times faster.
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That makes absolutely no sense.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WED99 said:
To be honest, I wouldn't expect a brainwashed apple fan such as yourself to understand something as complicated as "increasing size".
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Petty insults? Really? Increased size is not always desirable. The ultrabook is such an example and is desirable because it promises both performance and a smaller size. Yes, more powerful laptops can be had, but the increased size makes them undesirable for those looking for something easy to move around frequently. You also falsely assume that the slight increase in space makes it economically viable to produce a greater increase in performance.
 
Todd L

Todd L

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Wdwbearcat said:
Why hasn't Apple sponsored CoP yet? Disney/Jobs --> huge connection; attraction desperately needs some tech updating...

Seems pretty logical to me.
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Man....thats a really good idea...i know that cop is way overdue for an overhaul but i still enjoy it...to a degree.
 
Thrill

Thrill

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CoP needs help. Apple isn't it. Brace yourselves for my most intense Apple rant ever:

While Apple has pushed the computing industry a few times (iPods, iPhones, iPads), they aren't really great innovators. Largely, they design something good-looking, contract already-existing tech out to someone else, and have some manufacturer put it all together. Throw in some great marketing and an ecosystem lock-in, and you've got sustained success.
Lately, Apple hasn't done squat. They're just following trends established months ago by Android phone manufacturers (big screens, LTE, etc.). Siri was cool until Google Now was released and made it look like junk*. The iPhone and iPad mini are good products, but the equally capable Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 set the industry bar for value; I challenge you to find a flagship smartphone for less than $500 off-contract. Looking to the future, Google is working on all kinds of crazy things, such as self-driving cars, smart glasses, and who knows what else.
Innovation aside, Apple's approach is antithetical to the Carousel of Progress. Their recent bout of lawsuits is an attempt to strangle progress. While the tech industry is moving into a legal battleground, it was Apple who fired the first shots. A company claiming to represent progress shouldn't be a company who chooses to use resources on litigation rather than innovation.

*=Don't pull a "Google copied," because Google Now is the culmination of years of work. Android set out for something like this when it was made, Google has had PC voice search for some time, and Knowledge Graph was a logical base for Google Now.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Thrill said:
CoP needs help. Apple isn't it. Brace yourselves for my most intense Apple rant ever:

While Apple has pushed the computing industry a few times (iPods, iPhones, iPads), they aren't really great innovators. Largely, they design something good-looking, contract already-existing tech out to someone else, and have some manufacturer put it all together. Throw in some great marketing and an ecosystem lock-in, and you've got sustained success.
Lately, Apple hasn't done squat. They're just following trends established months ago by Android phone manufacturers (big screens, LTE, etc.). Siri was cool until Google Now was released and made it look like junk*. The iPhone and iPad mini are good products, but the equally capable Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 set the industry bar for value; I challenge you to find a flagship smartphone for less than $500 off-contract. Looking to the future, Google is working on all kinds of crazy things, such as self-driving cars, smart glasses, and who knows what else.
Innovation aside, Apple's approach is antithetical to the Carousel of Progress. Their recent bout of lawsuits is an attempt to strangle progress. While the tech industry is moving into a legal battleground, it was Apple who fired the first shots. A company claiming to represent progress shouldn't be a company who chooses to use resources on litigation rather than innovation.

*=Don't pull a "Google copied," because Google Now is the culmination of years of work. Android set out for something like this when it was made, Google has had PC voice search for some time, and Knowledge Graph was a logical base for Google Now.
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It's not an either or issue. There is not some finite amount of innovation. The price points of the Nexus devices is part of their gimmick. It's the old Gillette model but with a phone. LTE also has nothing to do with Apple or Google as its a telecommunications technology chosen by the carriers first and adopted by manufacturers later.
 
WED99

WED99

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lazyboy97o said:
Petty insults? Really? Increased size is not always desirable. The ultrabook is such an example and is desirable because it promises both performance and a smaller size. Yes, more powerful laptops can be had, but the increased size makes them undesirable for those looking for something easy to move around frequently. You also falsely assume that the slight increase in space makes it economically viable to produce a greater increase in performance.
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The thing that annoys me is I can't find a smartphone that isn't invisible when looked at from the side anymore.

You obviously have no knowledge of computer hardware and how it works. More space does allow for my power, it allows for more RAM, bigger CPU, larger batteries, more hard drive space, longer graphics cards (maybe even two) and a more efficient fan.

This debate is starting to bore me, I'm done. I'm going to play my high end games on my large desktop computer without it crashing or overheating.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WED99 said:
The thing that annoys me is I can't find a smartphone that isn't invisible when looked at from the side anymore.

You obviously have no knowledge of computer hardware and how it works. More space does allow for my power, it allows for more RAM, bigger CPU, larger batteries, more hard drive space, longer graphics cards (maybe even two) and a more efficient fan.
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You need to work on your reading comprehension. Something being allowable is different than it being economical.
 
juniorthomas

juniorthomas

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WED99 said:
Do you or do you not work in advertising? Is it that hard to give a straight answer?

Size reduction is an innovation, until it is taken too far. The new iMac, iPhone 5 and Macbook Air have taken it too far. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Walt Disney was one of the best innovators of all time. He understood that you made something smaller if it had to be smaller, but if you could make something like a phone twice as fast and an inch smaller then you make it an inch bigger and 4 times faster.
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Go back and read what I wrote. Read it outloud if it helps. Context clues will answer your question.

Also, I agree with @lazyboy97o. That didn't make sense.
 

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