Construction between Contemporary and TTC

[lazyboy97o]

That is just one example. There are several conditions that can cause negative skin friction.

But we’re talking about conditions so extreme that one single pile was so quickly and thoroughly sucked into the void that there is no longer evidence of its placement. And despite this Disney went back to the site and the Reedy Creek Improvement District for whatever reason lied to the state about this ground condition.

 

[Master Yoda]

But we’re talking about conditions so extreme that one single pile was so quickly and thoroughly sucked into the void that there is no longer evidence of its placement. And despite this Disney went back to the site and the Reedy Creek Improvement District for whatever reason lied to the state about this ground condition.

Where are you getting that they lied to the state about the ground condition?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Where are you getting that they lied to the state about the ground condition?

The state required RCID 2020 Comprehensive Plan listed the site as “Suitable” for building. Images were posted earlier in the thread.

 

[Master Yoda]

The state required RCID 2020 Comprehensive Plan listed the site as “Suitable” for building. Images were posted earlier in the thread.

Great! Then I guess we can expect a resort there any day now!

 

[GimpYancIent]

Great! Then I guess we can expect a resort there any day now!

Now your talking! Exactly!

 

[bpiper]

The state required RCID 2020 Comprehensive Plan listed the site as “Suitable” for building. Images were posted earlier in the thread.

Your confusing "Suitable" with "It costs so much that we won't make our 500% profit margin" if we built something. Both can be true.

Remember, in the Bob's era, if they don't make a gigantic profit on something, they don't do it.

I am wondering if the site was originally a sink hole and that when Seven Seas Lagoon was dug out, they dumped excess into the sinkhole filling it up, but not properly filling it up so that it could easily (Cheaply) support a foundation. Maybe the additional cost would be to excavate the hole and properly fill it back up so that it could support a weight.

There are other locations on property where you can see there is a sinkhole but Disney built around it instead of dealing with it. Look at Google images of Kidani. There is a sinkhole just to the west of the main entrance. I think the odd placement of Kidani and its amenities, is because of that. I think because of that sinkhole they had to do underbuilding parking instead of using a parking lot like Jambo.

 

[dsinclair]

There are other locations on property where you can see there is a sinkhole but Disney built around it instead of dealing with it. Look at Google images of Kidani. There is a sinkhole just to the west of the main entrance. I think the odd placement of Kidani and its amenities, is because of that. I think because of that sinkhole they had to do underbuilding parking instead of using a parking lot like Jambo.

Is it the spot circled in red?

 

[MisterPenguin]

For reference:

Maps of the Reedy Creek 2010 - 2020 Plan

The Reedy Creek Improvement District (RCID) is the governing jurisdiction for Walt Disney World comprising the 'towns' of Lake Buena Vista (formerly Reedy Creek in which Disney Springs, Saratoga Springs and Port Orleans live) and Bay Lake (the rest of developed WDW), and the unincorporated...

forums.wdwmagic.com

There was also a post recently hinting that the 2020 plan was coming out soon.

 

[bpiper]

Is it the spot circled in red?
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Yes, but also includes the area just below it and the area to the left of the word Osceola Parkway. If you drive by on the entrance road, you can clearly see that it is very swampy land, but uncharacteristically for most swamps, you don't see any dead trees in it.

 

[Ripken10]

So am I the only one hoping for the hotel here just so one day I might be able to walk (or run) around the entire seven seas lagoon (safely)...

Ok, I also want most of these resort ideas built too so I could stay there.

 

[Soluna16]

Is it the spot circled in red?
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As I stated before I can attest to this as I am a Geologist in Orange and Seminole counties. Basically all the area you see here in dark colors is Sinkhole. It's fairly common on the Disney property (and this whole area). The WDW property has something like 300+ registered sinkholes.

 

[GimpYancIent]

As I stated before I can attest to this as I am a Geologist in Orange and Seminole counties. Basically all the area you see here in dark colors is Sinkhole. It's fairly common on the Disney property (and this whole area). The WDW property has something like 300+ registered sinkholes.

So to the meat and potatoes question, is the specific property being discussed between the Contemporary and TTC one of those registered sinkhole areas?

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Based on the picture it looks like it's this...

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Tree protection fencing is common to protect natural vegetation or other areas off limits.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

My understanding is it's not suitable for large scale construction without cost prohibitive investment in the foundations. As Martin has said, it's the prime spot if they could make it happen.

I guess the foundation issue goes back and forth.

 

[J4546]

still holding out hopes for a putt putt kingdom

 

[lazyboy97o]

Your confusing "Suitable" with "It costs so much that we won't make our 500% profit margin" if we built something. Both can be true.

Remember, in the Bob's era, if they don't make a gigantic profit on something, they don't do it.

I am wondering if the site was originally a sink hole and that when Seven Seas Lagoon was dug out, they dumped excess into the sinkhole filling it up, but not properly filling it up so that it could easily (Cheaply) support a foundation. Maybe the additional cost would be to excavate the hole and properly fill it back up so that it could support a weight.

There are other locations on property where you can see there is a sinkhole but Disney built around it instead of dealing with it. Look at Google images of Kidani. There is a sinkhole just to the west of the main entrance. I think the odd placement of Kidani and its amenities, is because of that. I think because of that sinkhole they had to do underbuilding parking instead of using a parking lot like Jambo.

The idea of land being suitable but expensive makes no sense. What makes the foundations more expensive is the suitability of the land.

Multiple projects to develop the site died before either Bob was ever part of the Company.

Again, the idea that both RCID and the former Vice President of Resort Development, who is an architect that worked on multiple projects for the site, are somehow completely unaware of the extreme conditions in this site (which a story told about multiple locations) strains credulity. A geotechnical analysis is a basic, typically early, part of building design and it’s going to be done even earlier if their are reports of problems with the site.

 

[JoeCamel]

As I stated before I can attest to this as I am a Geologist in Orange and Seminole counties. Basically all the area you see here in dark colors is Sinkhole. It's fairly common on the Disney property (and this whole area). The WDW property has something like 300+ registered sinkholes.

Where can I go to see if a suspected sinkhole is registered? Do you need geo coordinates?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

If GF=Main street, Poly=Adventureland, WL=Frontierland, Cont=Tomorrowland .... then we just need a fantasyland.
Something along the lines of Hôtel Barrière le Normandy Deauville... a bit of french seaside architecture, and Bob can have his Beauty and the Beast bar and IP rooms there instead! win-win!

Basically a Magic Kingdom-y take on the Beach Club.
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Based on recent form, I suspect something like this is what we would be seeing over the Seven Seas Lagoon if they built a hotel to tie in with Fantasyland:

 

[MisterPenguin]

As I stated before I can attest to this as I am a Geologist in Orange and Seminole counties. Basically all the area you see here in dark colors is Sinkhole. It's fairly common on the Disney property (and this whole area). The WDW property has something like 300+ registered sinkholes.

Thanks for the info.

Is there a public document/website where these registered sinkholes are listed with their locations?

 

[Soluna16]

Thanks for the info.

Is there a public document/website where these registered sinkholes are listed with their locations?

The FDEP Subsidence Reports database will get you ones that were registered as having formed recently. There's so many that I don't think all exist in one database but this is the best one for ones considered recently active.

Florida Subsidence Incident Reports

To map the occurrence and spatial distribution of subsidence incidents throughout Florida. *** PLEASE READ*** This geologic data was developed by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) - Florida Geological Survey (FGS) to carry out agency responsibilities related to...

maps-fdep.opendata.arcgis.com

Here's a fairly good map of ones considered hazardous to construction.