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News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure
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Too Many Hats
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Didn’t Trowbridge once tweet a video of himself near the motorboat cruise area, with a caption along the lines of “Dreaming up exciting new things!” Which, you know, amounted to nothing.
It’s not worth scrutinizing Disney Parks social media posts.
It’s not worth scrutinizing Disney Parks social media posts.
Epcot81Fan
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Exactly.
We saw many WDI posts thatindicated lectured us that Tiana’s Bayou Adventure would not completely suck.
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Lol well actually just about every WDI post regarding TBA indicated it would suck.
Epcot81Fan
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It doesn't seem like it would pencil out right? Not to mention building out all the land in DLForward simultaneously would be a lot more expensive than being able to slowly develop one expansion at a time if it were a part of the existing parks. This would also require Imagineering to have a full plan ready to go which clearly isn't the case for Avatar or Coco.
The only thing that would make this concept make sense were if they were going to do a premium concept for the third gate with a super expensive ticket for a brand new park with less crowds. With the spectacular failure of the Galactic Starcruiser this doesn't seem like a win either
If we're to take MiceChat rumors at face value, I am very intrigued by using the Hollywood Backlot and Transpo Hub space for a Coco plaza area. DCA could really use a New Orleans Square type environment that a Coco village could evoke. The transition from Buena Vista Street to a Mexican urban area would also flow quite well in my humble opinion. The Red Car Trolley could circle into the village too.
Coco alone wouldn't anchor a land as big as Avatar though so I wonder what other IP might fit in an expanded Buena Vista Street <> Mexican village plaza within DCA's context. Encanto seems like a stretch, maybe more Monsters Inc stuff to make a Pixar Plaza area but this would be too much Pixar in my book. Maybe Hamilton goes in the Hyperion?
Coco alone wouldn't anchor a land as big as Avatar though so I wonder what other IP might fit in an expanded Buena Vista Street <> Mexican village plaza within DCA's context. Encanto seems like a stretch, maybe more Monsters Inc stuff to make a Pixar Plaza area but this would be too much Pixar in my book. Maybe Hamilton goes in the Hyperion?
The problem is if you go by the Micechat rumor at face value you’re not getting a Coco Plaza. You te getting a Coco ride shoved into the old unused soundstages and will have Monsters Inc and an ugly uninspired backlot. I’m hoping they re either dead wrong about going I’m Hollywood in general or that they have the details wrong.
Yeah this whole cram it into Stage 12 or 17 business is horrifying
I guess what I'm interested in is just if Avatar does go in the Simba lot - suddenly that 9 acre backlot/busloop expansion pad is wide open to reimagine for DCA - whatever that acronym might mean for imagineering looking 5 10 years out.
If they did use Coco here next to Buena Vista Street, I'm wondering what other properties might make sense for this area:
I do really like how the proposed Pandora would have brought so much rockwork and water into this corner of the park - act as a sort of built up berm alongside M:BO and the Avengers building
Yeah this whole cram it into Stage 12 or 17 business is horrifying
I guess what I'm interested in is just if Avatar does go in the Simba lot - suddenly that 9 acre backlot/busloop expansion pad is wide open to reimagine for DCA - whatever that acronym might mean for imagineering looking 5 10 years out.
If they did use Coco here next to Buena Vista Street, I'm wondering what other properties might make sense for this area:
I do really like how the proposed Pandora would have brought so much rockwork and water into this corner of the park - act as a sort of built up berm alongside M:BO and the Avengers building
With the new rumors now I’m just hoping Avatar goes into the backlot. Apparently the reason they might have gone with Hollywoodland in the first place is because of the height restrictions they will have on the Simba lot? This was mentioned on an OG55 video. Not sure if it’s true. I remember reading something about some pretty tall height restrictions but can’t remember if that was for Simba or Toy Story.
Yeah I think I agree: of the current rumors, Avatar to the Backlot seems like the best option. Ironic really since before any announcements I would have said leave Pandora for DLForward and use the Backlot for something that better fits the DCA theme.
I still think the best possible outcome would be Pandora in the Simba lot and then use the backlot/busloop for ~SOMETHING AMAZING~ including but not limited to Coco. Give me a beautiful BVS to 1920s Hollywoodland via the Red Car that transitions into a maze of alleys and street vendors winding towards a Mexican village with some great rockwork. Heck if they wanted to include a slightly different take on Encanto in "Latine Land" I'd happily squint and say that's California-y or Cinematic-y enough for me.
I'm super biased though bc I do love the BVS/golden age of Hollywood vibes that were alluded to but never really delivered on during the DCA 2.0 redevelopment - embracing that theme would allow them to retain the Red Car Trolley and the Hyperion Theater (with a new facade) for a 1920s Hollywood Blvd. Philharmagic could be used for a BVS/Hollywoodland attraction and the Animation Building and Disney Jr. could either be updated/refreshed or used for another attraction.
Below is a terrible approximation of how they could potentially attack their future plans:
Phase 1: cram Coco into the current space while retaining Monsters Inc (for that suddenly all important "ride count") so they could have a temporary Pixar Plaza dealio (this reeks of a bandaid fix that wouldn't really address the shortcomings of the rest of the backlot.
Phase 2: Avatar into Simba lot
Phase 3: Bulldoze the rest of the space to truly reimagine this backlot/busloop space with some property that makes sense next to Coco.
Maybe Encanto? (wouldn't want a direct clone of AK's)
Moana could anchor a Pacific Rim volcanos and earthquakes sorta area that could bring some of the rockwork/water Pandora would have (um...it fits the California theme bc CA is the gateway to the pacific???)
Up could theoretically come in for a landing,
3 Caballeros aren't really a "hot" IP....
So my understanding is that they can build even taller than the Pixar Place Hotel if they want to under the agreement. Totally possible that from a design perspective though, they might want Pandora to be tall enough that it would dominate the Simba lot or be too large next to the hotel.
I still think the best possible outcome would be Pandora in the Simba lot and then use the backlot/busloop for ~SOMETHING AMAZING~ including but not limited to Coco. Give me a beautiful BVS to 1920s Hollywoodland via the Red Car that transitions into a maze of alleys and street vendors winding towards a Mexican village with some great rockwork. Heck if they wanted to include a slightly different take on Encanto in "Latine Land" I'd happily squint and say that's California-y or Cinematic-y enough for me.
I'm super biased though bc I do love the BVS/golden age of Hollywood vibes that were alluded to but never really delivered on during the DCA 2.0 redevelopment - embracing that theme would allow them to retain the Red Car Trolley and the Hyperion Theater (with a new facade) for a 1920s Hollywood Blvd. Philharmagic could be used for a BVS/Hollywoodland attraction and the Animation Building and Disney Jr. could either be updated/refreshed or used for another attraction.
Below is a terrible approximation of how they could potentially attack their future plans:
Phase 1: cram Coco into the current space while retaining Monsters Inc (for that suddenly all important "ride count") so they could have a temporary Pixar Plaza dealio (this reeks of a bandaid fix that wouldn't really address the shortcomings of the rest of the backlot.
Phase 2: Avatar into Simba lot
Phase 3: Bulldoze the rest of the space to truly reimagine this backlot/busloop space with some property that makes sense next to Coco.
Maybe Encanto? (wouldn't want a direct clone of AK's)
Moana could anchor a Pacific Rim volcanos and earthquakes sorta area that could bring some of the rockwork/water Pandora would have (um...it fits the California theme bc CA is the gateway to the pacific???)
Up could theoretically come in for a landing,
3 Caballeros aren't really a "hot" IP....
I don't think the height restrictions from Anaheim would prevent Avatar from going into Simba. We looked at some of the language in the new agreement back in the DisneylandForward discussion:
So my understanding is that they can build even taller than the Pixar Place Hotel if they want to under the agreement. Totally possible that from a design perspective though, they might want Pandora to be tall enough that it would dominate the Simba lot or be too large next to the hotel.
coffeefan
Active Member
Well, Toy Story and Monsters Inc are canon in Coco. It could work depending on how they go about it.
Well, Toy Story and Monsters Inc are canon in Coco. It could work depending on how they go about it.
Wow keen eye! I've had my fill of Toy Story in the parks but I think I'm coming around to the idea of a Volcano bay Pacific Rim of Fire area going next to Coco for a Moana experience. The volcano, present in CA, Mexico, and even Colombia is magic of course so that's why these characters are popping up in DCA lol
coffeefan
Active Member
I like that idea! I would favor a Volcano Land (like DisneySea) replacing Pixar Pier/Bay. Then we could finally get a Hawaiian rollercoaster ride too! The land could keep Ariel, add Coco, and then Moana, Lilo & Stitch and Encanto. Maybe Luca too haha.
Disney, do it and take our moolah!
If Disney had an unlimited budget to fundamentally fix some of DCA's problems I would LOVE to bulldoze the pier in its entirety.
If there's any truth to the MiceChat rumor that crowd size/guest flow concerns in the Pixar Pier area are a potential problem for the Coco attraction that makes me think that the eventual bridge to the Simba lot in that corner between Paradise Gardens and the eastern helix of Screamin' could become an even bigger pinch point problem area.
chadwpalm
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I think the Coco problem can be solved by dedicating a bit of space behind the coaster for queue so that it doesn't have to spill out into the pier itself.
For Simba lot, if they use the existing gate at the end of the parade route then there shouldn't really be a pinch point since the parade route is plenty wide to accommodate crowd flow. The only reason it would cause issues in the pier is if people consciously chose to take the long way through the pier to get to Simba. They'd probably only do that if they wanted to stop at an attraction in the pier, so they would have been there anyway. Coco would bring extra foot traffic through the pier, but if they make the queue long enough then hopefully there wouldn't be queue spilling out onto the pier.
I'm sure Disney's thought all of this through in their decision making for where to put this thing.
truecoat
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In the new agreement...
The maximum permitted building height in the portion of the Theme Park District adjacent to Walnut Street may vary from 50 to 250 feet depending on the building’s distance from Walnut Street.
chadwpalm
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I touched on this back when DLF was being approved.
News - Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort
Fair enough. I also think Mike and Sully to the rescue is better than any other dark ride Disney was building stateside at the time and arguably better than most they have built still up until the last few years. That opened in 2009. And other minor and large things among. Soarin' also opened...
wityblack
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I genuinely disagree with people asking for a drop on the Coco ride. The Coco ride will want to appeal to the broadest audience possible, especially little ones. They will have opened Tiana which gatekeeps a princess ride behind a drop. I remember being scared as heck of Pirates when I was a kid knowing there was a drop, whether that was rational or not. Yes, a drop could work thematically, but they don't want to ostracize anyone, especially little kids who are huge fans of Coco but scared of drops. Both the Avengers ride and the Avatar ride will be thrill rides, plus the Stark ride will be too. It's important to balance a park's portfolio of attractions. They are building this ride because it will appeal to the entire family, they don't want to scare anyone off. They already have a ride with a drop based on a family friendly Pixar IP in the park (Incredibles), and both of the other water rides in the park (Avatar and Grizzly) will have drops. I highly doubt they will want to make a Coco ride that has little kids crying when they leave because Coco is cute but the drop is scary.