CNBC Article - Theme park economy on a great ride

Captain Chaos

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Everything except the FLE? Yawn.
The FLE? Too little, way too late.
(CircusLand? Funny how no one even mentions because it's such an abominable waste of miney and space.)
Updates? Updating a horribly out-of-date attraction is great, but it isn't a "new" experience. Keeping your product up-to-date is something that should be expected in any business.

I'll repeat what I typed earlier, even your local hometown theme park gets a new attraction every year. It doesn't have to be an E-ticket, but each of the WDW parks should get something new and substantial each year.
Next year is the 3rd year out of 4 years Six Flags Great Adventure is getting a new ride...

2014: a 415 foot free fall drop ride, being attached to Kingda Ka... 10 seconds to lift up, 5 second suspended wait, 10 second drop at 90 MPH...
2013: New safari ride (removed the drive through safari, now made it a ride attached to the park, with jeeps like Kilimanjaro, and a swing ride)
2011: Green Lantern...

May have been something in 2012... I forget...
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Disney has gotten quality new attractions and updates in the last two years:
2011-Star Tours 2.0, Disney Junior, Wild Life Animal Trek, Haunted Mansion update
2012-Test Track 2.0, Legend of Jack Sparrow, Agent P World Showcase Adventure, Sorceror's of the MK, and New Fantasyland complete with an amazing themed restaurant, and the first new dark ride in the Magic Kingdom in a very long time(not a perfect ride, but still very good). New Fantasyland also increased MK capacity quite a bit to boot.

Not to mention all the enhanced/interactive queue projects that have happened over the past two years

In 2014, we are getting a new very well themed coaster and a brand new parade for MK. It isn't all doom and gloom. Just because something hasn't been officially announced for 2015 and beyond, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. Also don't forget Disney Springs in 2016.....


Okay.... This won't do.... I'll go item for item because the intent is so disingenuous.

2011
Star Tours 2.0 - Same attraction. Slight queue augmentation. Variable ride experience, (which was what it was intended to have at inception.) The beautiful thing about simulators, is that you can have them do different things.

Disney Junior - What? A puppet show? This is a quality attraction?

Wild Life Animal Trek - A VIP Tour is a Quality attraction? You have to pay $189 more Disney Dollars to do this.

Haunted Mansion Update - An interactive queue that will help people in the artificially long standby line (thank you FastPassMinus) pass time and illness to each other. A pluss-ing of the "Hitchhking Ghosts" that frequently doesn't work properly.

2012

Test Track 2.0 - Same attraction. Tron-type themes. Queue augmentation to include designing "your own" prototype vehicle (which frequently doesn't work). Re-themeing the Chevy showroom at the end.

Legend of Jack Sparrow - It's an interesting show. Nice effects. Not something that will draw crowds for very long. However, it's easy to update.

Agent P World Showcase Adventure - Just like it's predecessor, Kim Possible, this distraction is hiding the fact that "kid friendly" edutainment has dwindled from EPCOT (center). It helps keep the little ones involved while you stroll from Adult beverage station to Adult beverage station. This is a distraction, not an attraction.

Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom - Hey could you do something else in the park other than ride attractions? You already ate? You already bought your limit at the shops? Ok, here's Kim Poss... I mean Agent P... I mean.... Actually it's a great distraction and fun but it's also a very long interactive queue with no attraction at the end.

Fantasyland Expansion - We will net no rides. We get a show (Story Time with Belle) with animatronics that can be awkward when the timing is wrong. There is a restaurant with some neat effects and long waits. The replacement attractions are Little Mermaid from Disneyland (20k) and 7DMT (SWSA). It did grant the gift of space so with a razzle-dazzle, TDO gets 10,000 more people in the park. More people in an already over-crowded park.

New interactive queues are important if you are adding FastPassMinus to rides that don't need a regular FastPass. A parade will be dark for months before the new one. And with the exception of parking garage construction, bypass bridge construction and building destruction at Pleasure Islan... I mean Flamingo... I mean Hyperion Whar.... I mean Disney Retirement hom.... I mean Disney Springs, there is no evident work on WDW property. The only exceptions are the 2.5 year construction on 7DMT, FOTLK replacement building and the rumor of some new trailers near AK for purposes of AVATAR construction.

My hope is that I missed the sarcasm in the tone of the post. I am not doom and gloom. I am a realist. I will be going to WDW very soon but I will be spending some of my time at UNI. I will be giving the "new" enhancements an opportunity but I will be honest about the results. The fact that I will be spending time at UNI is HUGE...

I assure you, I have no spite invested in this.

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Obi Walt Kenobi

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It's a brilliant business strategy let Universal do all the investing in new attractions that drive traffic to Orlando and most consumers continue to visit wdw while they are on vacation. Wdw is retaining its market share and and it's attendance has gone up by 3% while per customer spending increases 7%, Hence they are frenemies.
 

JimboJones123

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It's a brilliant business strategy let Universal do all the investing in new attractions that drive traffic to Orlando and most consumers continue to visit wdw while they are on vacation. Wdw is retaining its market share and and it's attendance has gone up by 3% while per customer spending increases 7%, Hence they are frenemies.
And that is the kicker. Until we see a decline of any kind, WDW is happy to roll out the annual price hikes and add more "fluff" to the parks to keep that additional 3% busy. Add new, more expensive dining here or there, add more walking/hang out space, add someting shiny to stare at for 20-40 minutes.

Why would Disney spend $300 million to draw a few more folks to DHS? If the park keeps guests busy, the park couldn't support 5 TS restaurants.
 

lazyboy97o

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It's a brilliant business strategy let Universal do all the investing in new attractions that drive traffic to Orlando and most consumers continue to visit wdw while they are on vacation. Wdw is retaining its market share and and it's attendance has gone up by 3% while per customer spending increases 7%, Hence they are frenemies.
This is what Disney thought would happen, it is not what is happening. Attendance means nothin without spending.
 

ParentsOf4

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It's a brilliant business strategy let Universal do all the investing in new attractions that drive traffic to Orlando and most consumers continue to visit wdw while they are on vacation. Wdw is retaining its market share and and it's attendance has gone up by 3% while per customer spending increases 7%, Hence they are frenemies.
To be clear, Disney's domestic theme park attendance is up 3% in Q3. In Q1, domestic attendance was up even more: 4%. Yet here's what CFO Jay Rasulo said when asked specifically about WDW Q1 attendance:

"Attendance at Disney World was down at hair, I would say, and that -- oh, I'm sorry -- it was up a hair, but it wasn't the driver for the quarter. As Bob just said, everything that's going on at the Disneyland Resort is really what's driving the attendance trends for domestic parks."

Per guest spending is up by 7% because ticket prices are up more than 7% and food prices are up double digits. WDW's "growth" is being driven exclusively by higher prices.

In 2013, Universal is following a similar pattern, perhaps even worse, as tourists start to defer their next Uni vacation until the opening of Diagon Alley in 2014.
 
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mahnamahna101

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It's a brilliant business strategy let Universal do all the investing in new attractions that drive traffic to Orlando and most consumers continue to visit wdw while they are on vacation. Wdw is retaining its market share and and it's attendance has gone up by 3% while per customer spending increases 7%, Hence they are frenemies.

But what happens once USF and IOA become Disneyland-caliber, CityWalk gets its retooling, Cabana Bay and a couple more resorts open, Wondersea Island provides a nice water park, the monorail links USO together, and a superb 3rd gate rounds off all of the additions?

And then people look at Disney and say... "Is that all you got?" (which will happen at some point once USF and IOA get to 8-12 million guests through immersive E-tickets while TDO is trumpeting a nice C+ticket dark ride)
 
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SJN1279

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I tend to be a glass half full person too. These aren't all major additions, but I support any enhancement that adds to my experience. Don't get me wrong I see the problems too, but I give credit when credit is due.
Okay.... This won't do.... I'll go item for item because the intent is so disingenuous.

2011
Star Tours 2.0 - Same attraction. Slight queue augmentation. Variable ride experience, (which was what it was intended to have at inception.) The beautiful thing about simulators, is that you can have them do different things.

Disney Junior - What? A puppet show? This is a quality attraction?

Wild Life Animal Trek - A VIP Tour is a Quality attraction? You have to pay $189 more Disney Dollars to do this.

Haunted Mansion Update - An interactive queue that will help people in the artificially long standby line (thank you FastPassMinus) pass time and illness to each other. A pluss-ing of the "Hitchhking Ghosts" that frequently doesn't work properly.

2012

Test Track 2.0 - Same attraction. Tron-type themes. Queue augmentation to include designing "your own" prototype vehicle (which frequently doesn't work). Re-themeing the Chevy showroom at the end.

Legend of Jack Sparrow - It's an interesting show. Nice effects. Not something that will draw crowds for very long. However, it's easy to update.

Agent P World Showcase Adventure - Just like it's predecessor, Kim Possible, this distraction is hiding the fact that "kid friendly" edutainment has dwindled from EPCOT (center). It helps keep the little ones involved while you stroll from Adult beverage station to Adult beverage station. This is a distraction, not an attraction.

Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom - Hey could you do something else in the park other than ride attractions? You already ate? You already bought your limit at the shops? Ok, here's Kim Poss... I mean Agent P... I mean.... Actually it's a great distraction and fun but it's also a very long interactive queue with no attraction at the end.

Fantasyland Expansion - We will net no rides. We get a show (Story Time with Belle) with animatronics that can be awkward when the timing is wrong. There is a restaurant with some neat effects and long waits. The replacement attractions are Little Mermaid from Disneyland (20k) and 7DMT (SWSA). It did grant the gift of space so with a razzle-dazzle, TDO gets 10,000 more people in the park. More people in an already over-crowded park.

New interactive queues are important if you are adding FastPassMinus to rides that don't need a regular FastPass. A parade will be dark for months before the new one. And with the exception of parking garage construction, bypass bridge construction and building destruction at Pleasure Islan... I mean Flamingo... I mean Hyperion Whar.... I mean Disney Retirement hom.... I mean Disney Springs, there is no evident work on WDW property. The only exceptions are the 2.5 year construction on 7DMT, FOTLK replacement building and the rumor of some new trailers near AK for purposes of AVATAR construction.

My hope is that I missed the sarcasm in the tone of the post. I am not doom and gloom. I am a realist. I will be going to WDW very soon but I will be spending some of my time at UNI. I will be giving the "new" enhancements an opportunity but I will be honest about the results. The fact that I will be spending time at UNI is HUGE...

I assure you, I have no spite invested in this.

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-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.
 

mahnamahna101

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-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.

Overspending? I guess Walt overspent from 1955-1967 with brand-new additions (actual ones) every year when something didn't work... without Universal's "overspending", attendance at WDW would plummet since no one would be saying "I need to check out that new ride!"

Comcast is preparing for the crowds Diagon Alley will bring - Transformers and TnH increase capacity rather than decrease. Not to mention they made their ugliest part of USF into one of the most beautiful.

Star Tours II is essentially an overdue update that should have been done 10 years ago. Despicable Me counts as a new attraction because they've actually tried to theme the facades/queue rooms this time. Gru's house is an actual icon as opposed to a flat billboard.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.

I agree with most of what you are saying about Disney. Especially about FLE. Disney makes a new area but closes a few existing rides in the process and they are criticized. Universal adds a Simpsons theme to an existing food court and its a big deal. I don't get the criticism of FLE at all. Could it have been better? Sure. Could they have added an E ticket and a dark ride plus everything else? Sure. Winning $500M in the lottery is much better than winning $5M, but isn't winning $5M still pretty great?

I don't think Comcast is overspending. It's an appropriate response to the success they have had. It is not fiscally irresponsible at this point. There is a good chance they will increase attendance and spending and make the necessary return on these projects. The hotel project will be interesting. Will they canabalize their own deluxe resorts by offering a cheaper option? The going theory is they will take customers from the values and moderates at WDW, but how many people who would have shelled out big bucks for the existing hotels will now just book the value one? Will we start to see huge room discounts or free dining offers at Uni now? All of the new projects will need to reap returns. If the crowds don't come or more importantly they don't come back year after year that could be a problem. They will be forced to raise prices to try to cover expenses. This would allow Disney to jack up their prices too. We all lose out. Not saying any of that will happen, but its possible.
 

mahnamahna101

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I agree with most of what you are saying about Disney. Especially about FLE. Disney makes a new area but closes a few existing rides in the process and they are criticized. Universal adds a Simpsons theme to an existing food court and its a big deal. I don't get the criticism of FLE at all. Could it have been better? Sure. Could they have added an E ticket and a dark ride plus everything else? Sure. Winning $500M in the lottery is much better than winning $5M, but isn't winning $5M still pretty great?

I don't think Comcast is overspending. It's an appropriate response to the success they have had. It is not fiscally irresponsible at this point. There is a good chance they will increase attendance and spending and make the necessary return on these projects. The hotel project will be interesting. Will they canabalize their own deluxe resorts by offering a cheaper option? The going theory is they will take customers from the values and moderates at WDW, but how many people who would have shelled out big bucks for the existing hotels will now just book the value one? Will we start to see huge room discounts or free dining offers at Uni now? All of the new projects will need to reap returns. If the crowds don't come or more importantly they don't come back year after year that could be a problem. They will be forced to raise prices to try to cover expenses. This would allow Disney to jack up their prices too. We all lose out. Not saying any of that will happen, but its possible.

The difference is that TDO over hyped Little Mermaid and the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (making them both sound like E-tickets instead of the C-ticket and D-ticket they are) while Universal has barely made mention to the Springfield expansion.

IFFF was a bland, dreary part of USF before Fast Food Blvd and Duff Gardens. More importantly, it added a ride without closing any previous attractions or ruining atmosphere. It provides kinetic energy with Twirl n Hurl and overall serves as a nice upgrade.

That's why FLE is criticized so much
 

JimboJones123

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-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.
There was not a single minute through the entire summer that Despicable Me did not have a 60 minute wait.

Most of the summer it was 90+ minutes.

Not to mention TF. Saying that Universal is not drawing more now is foolish.
 

GoofGoof

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The difference is that TDO over hyped Little Mermaid and the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (making them both sound like E-tickets instead of the C-ticket and D-ticket they are) while Universal has barely made mention to the Springfield expansion.

IFFF was a bland, dreary part of USF before Fast Food Blvd and Duff Gardens. More importantly, it added a ride without closing any previous attractions or ruining atmosphere. It provides kinetic energy with Twirl n Hurl and overall serves as a nice upgrade.

That's why FLE is criticized so much
Well the overhype part applies only to the fanboi community. Outside of places like this most guests don't even know what an E ticket is. I can't kill Disney for spending money on a project then advertising it in a positive way. It makes perfect business sense to me.

By the way, the official spin in these parts now is that mine train is a C ticket at best kiddie coaster. Every time the rumored Nextgen budget goes up $1B the ticket level for mine train drops 1. By the time the ride opens and Nextgen fully rolls out it will be an A ticket ride and Nextgen will have cost $5B.
 

Captain Chaos

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-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.
Kids, this is your brain on pixie dust...See how it rots your mind? Stay away, stay far away...
 

Fox&Hound

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Why so many people hang out of these boards 24/7 suggesting what they are talking about sucks so bad that everyone at TDO is an idiot is hard to believe too.

Why not find something that doesn't suck and hang out there for a bit?

Says the person who has the "fix me yeti" avatar ;) Some people on these boards may get a little silly, but I like to believe it comes from a passionate place. As far as the people who hate on everything Wdw does and praises everything Universal, well....
 

flynnibus

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People shouldn't ignore ST2, or Test Track 2.0... or even the HM Update. They were much needed updates. But reality is the first was about 10 years late... the second one is more about extending the usable life of the existing attraction by giving it a reskin. They were the type of updates that Disney is EXPECTED TO DO if you plan on keeping attractions around for 10-30 years. You're treating them as bonuses or surprises.. when they are things the company is expected to do.. and had dragged their feet on for a decade.

Same story with Space Mountain.. Splash Mountain.. etc. The 'haters' don't give Disney a lot of credit for this work because ITS THE CRAP THEY SHOULD BE DOING REGULARLY ANYWAY! Giving Disney a high five for finally getting off their tail and doing the periodic refreshes is like giving your kid a present for brushing his teeth. It's what they are EXPECTED to be doing regularly on THEIR OWN.

If you want people to be behind you and support Disney for their great attraction updates... Disney would start by doing them BEFORE the attraction feels like a lame duck for 5-10 years.. (I'm looking at you UoE..).. and when they do it, not just fix the attraction (like Splash) but get those pluses in (like they did with HM).

If Disney actually kept their long running attractions actually up to spec.. and then periodically refreshed them.. and did that on a consistent basis like they used to. Then people would start giving Disney a lot more credit for keeping things fresh. Sadly, updates like the HM stand out among of field of disappointments.. and all of them come 5-10 years later than they should have.

Updates like Space Ship Earth, and HM have come with their own set of 'disappointments' for some - but at the core they were dramatic updates. Disney doesn't get full admiration for them because of some of their choices, and the fact they ran attractions like HM into the ground before doing so.
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
-Star Tours 2 is a great update to the original Star Tours attraction. Not only was the screen now crips 3D, the ride is variable, and has added many awesome characters and locales from the movies. If you don't count this as a new attractions you can take Despicable Me and The Simpsons off of Universal's new attraction list as well.

-Disney Junior is a great attraction for the little ones, and Agent P is great for all ages!

-Test Track's update was great and made the attraction fit the original theme of Epcot so much better.

-Fantasyland is so much improved with its theme and quality attraction count, its insane. They took the ugliest, most congested part of the Magic Kingdom, and made it the most beautiful. I can't wait for the coaster to open to finish the expansion.

Disney is updating as much as they always did. The only difference is that Comcast is overspending at Universal, and adding a lot of new attractions. Outside of Potter, Universal's new attractions haven't increased their attendance in a noticeable way. Universal is making its money on merchandising with exclusive food, drink, and merchandise themed to their IP's, which Disney is now copying(and will continue to do so with Star Wars).

Disney will stay the course, but I expect Star Wars Land to be imminent.

I am not comparing Universal's attractions in my previous response or in the one that follows. I will make specific reference to their comparative attendance gains. I will also say, to me, there is no one as great as Disney in P&R.

Let me preface for you my feelings about P&R, I love them. I love them so much that I can look at it with a critical but loving eye. Please understand this when reading anything I post. I visit all domestic parks far more often than most. My next upcoming trip, I'll be spending one or two of my DVC days at UO. (Bad news for TWDC.)

I can point out that the massive improvements and "real additions" at DLR is what drove the domestic attendance up. As @ParentsOf4 mentioned in their post, "up a hair" is corporate speak for "largely flat". In light of the information in the CNBC article, your thoughts on Universal's attendance gains are inaccurate.

Plus-ing attractions is not anything new to P&R. They used to plus their attractions all the time. Many times features and show tweaks were not even announced. Plus-ing is not a "new" attraction. Neither is maintenance, but that is covered on other threads eloquently.

Star Tours is an update. I outlined the improvements and changes in my post. I will add that this attraction was so lacking in the plus-ing category, the update does what should have been done over the last 20 years. (Again, no comparison to anything at UNI.)

Disney Junior may be great for little ones. It is a show. It replaces others shows. Shows run for a period of time and then are replaced with other shows. The total number of shows in all of the parks have been reduced over the last 20 years.

Agent P - Again, I hope you are kidding. I went out of my way to say nicely that this was Kim Possible all over again. It is a distraction for kids who used to benefit from the edutainment in the Wonder's of Life pavilion and the original Imagination pavilion.

Test Track - It is the same attraction with an overlay. It hasn't change in 15 years. The overlay re-purposed the old tech from the original ride. There are lighting effects and a pseudo interactive feature that frequently doesn't work. The equivalent of this is at DLR during the holidays at The Haunted Mansion.

If you want to know what a redo of this attraction could have been, look at the other coast. While you would have to use appropriate themeing, RSR's use of the slot car system is shoulders above TT2. As a question, what is the current theme of FutureWorld?

Fantasyland Expansion - Again, this is a fancy way of saying, "We need to add floor space to get more guests crammed in here." Mermaid is a replacement for a Playground that replaced 20,000 leagues after leaving the space dead from 1994 to 2005. So it took 19 years to replace the attraction back there.

Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is a replacement for Snow White's Scary Adventures. They had to make a "dark ride" themed replacement so they could add another M&G area. Could you imagine if they didn't follow through on this? Whenever 7DMT opens, it will make a net zero gain of attractions in FLE. I am really looking forward to this rocking car system. It should be fun. I wish the static motion elements would have been actual Animatronics.

Let's just say that Disney isn't adding at WDW as fast as they are taking away. They aren't plus-ing attractions like they had in decades past. They are investing in infrastructure. Much of the new infrastructure is designed to aid them in removing more money from each "guest". They are not pursuing methods to increase attendance. 4 to 5 years from now there may be new attractions to drive attendance.

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P.S. I am hoping for a great deal of "new" when Star Wars "land" is created. Based on FLE, I fear re-purposing a restaurant or perhaps two by minor re-themeing. I fear a net zero in attraction count. I fear a slew of M&Gs instead of real attractions. I want my fears to not be realized. I want massive development of major attractions and additions. I want a wholly immersive environment. Isn't this what all fans want?
 
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BryceM

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Disney is spending money, to think they are not is ludicrous.

To say Disney is under bad management or blaming TDO for just about anything is completely ignorant. How does a company that is one of the hottest stocks around have bad management?

Universal on the other hand is under a delusion they can compete with Disney. First, they will never compete with them. Never. One, Disney has a 20 or 30 year head start on them in Florida. Florida needs Disney more than they need Universal as Disney drives the economy. If Universal packed their bags and left Florida, reality says no one will notice from an economic standpoint, if Disney left it would be catastrophic.

Second, Universal is hampered by the fact the don't have the same amount of land, and they won't be able to buy the land they want. If it was possible, they would have done it by now.

Third, Universal will always have a complete lack of total immersion surrounding their parks. IOA is a perfect example as when walking through the park to me it feels like a little better themed Six Flags. Viewing parking lots on coasters takes me back to the real world instead of magically transporting me away from it.

Fourth and final, Universal has to keep spending money to keep people interested, once they stop spending and rest on their laurels, they will quickly lose market share right back to Disney who can rest on their laurels due to having a far superior product. Don't kid yourself, the cash will stop at Universal eventually, from a business standpoint its inevitable.

But what's really lost in this whole topic is the fact Disney still kills it year in year out, DHS and AK will more than likely top 10 million each this year. Without spending a dime on new big attractions.


Jimmy Thick- What more needs to be said?
A Jimmy Thick post wouldn't be complete without the Six Flags comparison.
 

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