Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama is it worth it?

[pheneix]

>>>For the ONE TRILLIONTH TIME, this is part of a STORY that most people (apparently 90% of the people here) don't know about.<<<

I know the story, and I really hate to say this, but you don't have to pay a guy much to come up with a story that somehow justifies a cheap carnival section.

>>>I have also yet to see another park theme their wild mouse coaster as well as disney has<<<

That is because they are only found at Six Flags and roadside carnivals.

>>>If disney can make 1/100 guests happy with these new attractions, then that's a good thing<<<

If only one out of a hundred guests are satisfied with your attraction, then 99 of them unsatisifed with it. That is not good.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>For the ONE TRILLIONTH TIME, this is part of a STORY that most people (apparently 90% of the people here) don't know about.<<<

I know the story, and I really hate to say this, but you don't have to pay a guy much to come up with a story that somehow justifies a cheap carnival section.

>>>I have also yet to see another park theme their wild mouse coaster as well as disney has<<<

That is because they are only found at Six Flags and roadside carnivals.

>>>If disney can make 1/100 guests happy with these new attractions, then that's a good thing<<<

If only one out of a hundred guests are satisfied with your attraction, then 99 of them unsatisifed with it. That is not good.

Thank you...I thought that I was the only one that felt this way.
I understand that E-rides aren't the only things that need to go into these parks. (There weren't many e-rides when it opened...and look at it today) But...THIS IS NOT HOW WDI got their "highly praised" status... This is how 6 flags got their reputation!

 

[DanStat]

Originally posted by pheneix


That is because they are only found at Six Flags and roadside carnivals.

...and at most every Paramount's theme park, and at Kennywood...there are plenty of Wild Mouse coasters.

I think everything fits in fine...if you don't like it, don't cross that bridge and go over there.

I don't mind the games either...you don't have to play them, and it does fit in with the theme...their push to get you to play them isn't as bad as most other parks with those games in them.

 

[Passport]

I like the way they painted the ground to look like a parking lot. That's very carny. But I wish they had a better selection of carnival snacks. Where's the pink popcorn?

 

[ToTBellHop]

if you haven't noticed, nearly every ride disney has can be found in a cheaper version at a Six Flags park somewhere. As for the other 99 people...it doesn't leave 99 unhappy people, it leaves 99 people who have not ridden because I have yet to hear ANY ride review of this ride where someone said they didn't like the ride--just that it wasn't a life-changing experience, nor was it intended to be. By the way, it's a bit backwards to say you like Mickey's Toontown Fair and hate Dino-Rama, a carnival.... My experience over the past few months has been that 95% of those complaining about this area have never seen it in person, and their viewpoints tend to reverse the second they go and see "that wasn't as bad as I had thought". If you are in the group that sees it and still doesn't like it...oh well. I don't like Carousel of Progress, but I survive...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by Passport
I like the way they painted the ground to look like a parking lot. That's very carny. But I wish they had a better selection of carnival snacks. Where's the pink popcorn?

They need cotton candy and...saltwater taffy :slurp:

 

[pheneix]

>>>As for the other 99 people...it doesn't leave 99 unhappy people, it leaves 99 people who have not ridden because I have yet to hear<<<

When you first said it it sounded like that if the other 99 were dissappointed, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

>>>I have yet to hear ANY ride review of this ride where someone said they didn't like the ride--just that it wasn't a life-changing experience<<<

I fit were at any other amusement park in the world (save for Universal's parks), I probably would say it was an excellent ride, with above average theming. But it is in a Disney park, one of Disney's best themed parks no less. It is a fun ride, but at the same time, it is a total eyesore at the Animal Kingdom, and I can think of a much better way to make the ride funner and have much more theming. But that would cost a helluva lot more money, and that is what it all boils down to now. It is amazing how much a ride can be a success and a failure at the same time.

 

[Dizknee_Phreek]

this thread has gotten me a little charged up, i must say... first of all, we have Main Street USA obviously getting quite upset because there are some uneducated people on this board...well, Main Street, I am one of those people....i'm sorry that i don't have the time or patience to read anything and everything about Disney and the stories behind the themeing of lands and attractions. if i had known that it would have upset you this much maybe i would have been more considerate and spent hours on the net trying to search for this incredible story you speak of. but in the meantime, maybe you should tackle the idea of actually informing us on what this story is instead of complaining about how we don't know it.
but regardless of the story, it's still BAD themeing...Disney themeing, no doubt, but when you take a look at how magestic AK is, Dino-Rama is everything less than magnificent. if i really wanted to ride on carnival rides and play carnival games, i certainly would not go to Disney to do it! i'd go to my county fair, or to Wal-Mart the next time they have a carnival set up in the parking lot. personally, i don't like carnivals...they're tacky and cheap looking, and since i guess carnival is what Disney was going for in this area, then they clearly succeded! what i'm trying to get at is that if i wanted tacky, i wouldn't go to Disney...i go to Disney because of the fact that it is highly detailed, imaginative, and different from what anyone else has to offer. granted Dino-Rama is the only tacky part of the WDW property and i could skip it if i wanted to...but if i'm paying hundreds of dollars for tickets and boarding, then i want to be able to enjoy going to every part of every park and finding at LEAST one thing that i like about it and would want to do again. and besides, having 'characters' named Chester and Hester? that's just begging for tackiness!
back to the story...having stories behind attractions, themes, lands, etc. is really great and i'm glad that they do that, even though i just found out about that kind of thing reading this thread tonight....but dear God, WHY have a theme based on a carnival?! did the story HAVE to have something about a carnival? hell no! the imagineers are smart enough, they could've had anything! so i don't really understand it when people start proclaiming 'you should like the area because it's in the story'...it didn't HAVE to be! pheneix said it best when he/she said "but you don't have to pay a guy much to come up with a story that somehow justifies a cheap carnival section"
besides...you can not expect people visiting the parks for the first time to know this story! ALL they see is the surface because they have no other choice. i'm going to be taking a friend with me to WDW next year...it'll be her first time ever to WDW. being in KY we don't get to hear all that much about WDW on tv. in fact all we see are ads for the Disney Cruise Lines and the ads for the free vacation videos. we hear nothing of rides or anything of that sort. so my friend is totally clueless as to what she will be experienceing. if she didn't have me around while at WDW, chances are she would know nothing of the history of the parks, attractions, whatever....she would have no 'inside' info. so of course she's gonna see only the surface...she's going to see what's THERE....not what used to be there, no story behind any attraction or land or theme...just what she sees when she sees it. ever heard the computer term WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get)? that sort of applies in this situation.
and DogsRule!...why didn't you tell us you were a mind reader? after all, you DID makes this statement...and i quote, "...the problem you all have with Dino-Rama is that it doesn't have an E-Ride..." that's amazing that you knew that even before anything about E-rides was brought up....clearly you have some sort of psychic talent!
btw, i agree with bearboysnc...i have my own opinions, i know what they are and if it's relevent, i'll let you know what they are...you don't have to tell us what you think we're thinking. besides, personally, i've never asked for more E-rides...if they want to make them, fine...but they better be darn good! a lot of my favorite rides aren't E-rides....the non e-rides are what make Disney magical, if you ask me. it proves that people can make damn good parks without constent thrills. just my 2 cents.
with all that said....have a Disney day!

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by bearboysnc

I understand the theme and the "backstory". I just don't like the theme.

I think most people do regardless of whether they say it or not, it isn't that we don't understand why, it's that we think it's a BAD theme choice.

 

[WDWspider]

Seems like all you guys who argue that they should never do a coaster park because Disney is better than that are the same ones telling us how great a couple of Carnie rides are because they are in AK. Let Disney build a coaster park and say it was themed after the Golden Era of Amusment Rides, it's the same thing. They might as well make a Slum section in Disney Studios and let the trash recepticals overflow into the streets because it would be themed accordingly -- it's the same thing! Besides, I thought this post was to answer a question on whether we thought it was worth it or not to visit. As soon as some opinions are out there some people don't agree with, they start attacking and making huge assumptions on everything. I thought Steve's opposing view was very well posted, but some of the others are directly attacking what people say, feel, and think

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I kinda wanted to stay out of this but I just can't sit back anymore

OK...CARNIE RIDES SHOULD BE LEFT IN THE CARNIE! If the money was tight, then build the rides but THEME IT DIFFERENTLY...put a little WDI into it!

You KNOW FOR A FACT that WDI hated this idea! Look at Pooh???Not THAT much money to build (compared to OTHERS), it fits in a small building and it's themed well and has that DISNEY FLAIR about it.

I agree that DISNEY is NOT about Thrills...6 flags and Cedar Point are about THRILLS...Disney is about good old FAMILY fun...the place that BRINGS families TOGETHER...not separates them and makes SOME of the family members sit on a bench while the others are having fun on rollercoasters. (but don't get me wrong...an E-ride, in one form or another, needs to be built in AK SOMEWHERE)

 

[ToTBellHop]

Find me a carnival that looks anything like the one disney has built--I have yet to see one. A few things:
1) These are not carny rides--you won't find anything like either attractions at any carnival, and in the case of TriceraTop Spin, this is an attraction that disney has been using since day-one.

2) In the case of disney theming, I have provided for you a listing of Reverchon's 25 roller coasters, and many of them offer pictures for you to compare theming and see how much disney has done:
http://www.rcdb.com/result.htm?column=1,10,3,4,5&order=1,2&contact=94
3) Chester and Hester's has always been tacky--visit their gift shop in Dinoland, which has been open since the park opened. If anything, this new area looks less-tacky than the rest of Chester and Hester's empire

4) The whole area is SUPPOSED to be funny

5) The area was not CHEAP to construct--I don't have the exact numbers, because disney does not release them, but this area had costs in the $millions

6) Disney did a good job of making it so you cannot see Dino-Rama from other lands, but the second you enter Dinoland, you can see the coaster. Why? Because Chester and Hester's want you to see their tourist trap before you see the Dino Institute.

7) There will never be an area in any of the parks that every guest likes, due to varying tastes. People who visit this area do seem to enjoy it.

8) There are a lot of things Disney has done that Walt would not approve of.

9) Personally, I feel Imagineers did a great job theming all of Dinoland--it has one of the most developed stories of any disney has made for the parks, as this story is not confined to one attraction, but rather an entire land.

10) This is not the first time Disney has done something tacky...I personally found the Castle Cake rather tacky.

11) Had Primeval Whirl been enclosed, it would have had roughly as much theming on the inside as Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.

Done ranting for now. By the way, I'm not someone against Disney building a coaster park because they couldn't do it right, I'm against it because that type of park would not work in Florida, and I'm tired of seeing the value of my stocks drop.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
Find me a carnival that looks anything like the one disney has built--I have yet to see one. A few things:
1) These are not carny rides--you won't find anything like either attractions at any carnival, and in the case of TriceraTop Spin, this is an attraction that disney has been using since day-one.

2) In the case of disney theming, I have provided for you a listing of Reverchon's 25 roller coasters, and many of them offer pictures for you to compare theming and see how much disney has done:
http://www.rcdb.com/result.htm?column=1,10,3,4,5&order=1,2&contact=94
3) Chester and Hester's has always been tacky--visit their gift shop in Dinoland, which has been open since the park opened. If anything, this new area looks less-tacky than the rest of Chester and Hester's empire

4) The whole area is SUPPOSED to be funny

5) The area was not CHEAP to construct--I don't have the exact numbers, because disney does not release them, but this area had costs in the $millions

6) Disney did a good job of making it so you cannot see Dino-Rama from other lands, but the second you enter Dinoland, you can see the coaster. Why? Because Chester and Hester's want you to see their tourist trap before you see the Dino Institute.

7) There will never be an area in any of the parks that every guest likes, due to varying tastes. People who visit this area do seem to enjoy it.

8) There are a lot of things Disney has done that Walt would not approve of.

9) Personally, I feel Imagineers did a great job theming all of Dinoland--it has one of the most developed stories of any disney has made for the parks, as this story is not confined to one attraction, but rather an entire land.

10) This is not the first time Disney has done something tacky...I personally found the Castle Cake rather tacky.

11) Had Primeval Whirl been enclosed, it would have had roughly as much theming on the inside as Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.

Done ranting for now. By the way, I'm not someone against Disney building a coaster park because they couldn't do it right, I'm against it because that type of park would not work in Florida, and I'm tired of seeing the value of my stocks drop.

Don't get me wrong...everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion. I personally was expecting a little more from WDI and if it DID cost all this money...don't you think it would've been wiser to put the money into something like Beastly Kingdom? (Something that 99.9% of the people that KNEW it was supposed to be in the park originally...wanted) I personally don't like the "chester and hester" anything and I didn't think that they were "big enough" characters to have a whole section of a park devoted to them. (but once again, JUST MY OPINION) and I believe that that is what these forums are for...to voice opinions.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Granted we all want to see Beastlie built, that area would probably cost $250 Million to build, which the money from Dino-Rama would not do a heck of a lot for--plus, this park had not seen a new attraction in three years...disney had to build something fast, but it had to be small as it takes quite a long time to get a lot of money for a project--Beastlie proves this....

 

[WDWspider]

Sorry, I'm getting outta this arguement.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
Granted we all want to see Beastlie built, that area would probably cost $250 Million to build, which the money from Dino-Rama would not do a heck of a lot for--plus, this park had not seen a new attraction in three years...disney had to build something fast, but it had to be small as it takes quite a long time to get a lot of money for a project--Beastlie proves this....

Ok, I understand where you're coming from...I just personally don't like that "tacky" theme. I definitely felt that AK needed something really bad though. So...even though I don't like the theming...it IS SOMETHING ELSE to do in the park. I just kinda wished that they would've built "something" for the Beastly Kingdom area...instead of opening it up all at once. (but I guess it wouldn't really fit in with the Camp Mickey Minnie area without a WHOLE land)

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Thanks Spidey...

SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS! (oh...and the cake was HIDEOUS)

It reminded me of a bunch of Pink Marshmallow Peeps on Steroids

 

[ToTBellHop]

truly...the Castle Cake was painful to look at...by the way, I also wish BK had been built...but figure every extra day that it takes for it to get a final financial approval means one more day of research leading to a more high-tech ride...you gotta figure some of the stuff we are arguing over it getting now would not have even been possibilities when the park first opened.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

WHOA WHOA WHOA...DogsRule...

I understand that it takes time to get money...I really do.
I understand that AK needed attractions...YESTERDAY...I really do
I DON'T UNDERSTAND where a CARNIVAL entered the picture...WHAT IMAGINEER SAID...Let's build a CARNIVAL in the most BEAUTIFULLY THEMED PARK in WDW???

Something OTHER than that could've been done...EVEN IF IT WASN'T IN DINOLAND...another attraction in Asia based on Tigers, or in Africa based on gorillas...(even if it was a dark ride or something...) DinoLand is where the kids already ARE...with the playground and the dig site...why not try to diversify the park and get the kids into the Asia area.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

But...it's over and done with now...and I guess the ones that don't like it will just have to GROW to like it. It's not going anywhere.